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To wonder why some people are more popular than others?

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shouldprobablyturnalighton · 03/12/2024 19:20

Especially those who don't seem to be particularly nice?!

There’s a child at my kids’ school who is incredibly popular. I’m there quite a bit for various reasons, and it’s astonishing how much attention this one child gets. Their name is constantly being called, for example if someone does something vaguely impressive, they want this kid to see it or if there’s a game going on, they want this kid to join. The school has noticed too and the parents called in at one point because the sheer level of attention was becoming too much.

We’ve known this kid for years. Back in nursery, their name was a regular feature on reports concerning my children (think hitting, arguments, that sort of thing). It was very much a love-hate dynamic as they and my DC often brought out the worst in each other but still sought each other’s company. This has calmed down a bit of late, but since we've hit school I now hear from
other parents that this child isn’t particularly kind. Stories like orchestrating games to leave others out, saying 'I hate you' or “If you do X mean thing to so-and-so, you can play with us.” This doesn't seem like completely off the wall behaviour for kids based on my memory of being one, but I always thought it would happen when they were bigger rather than reception/year 1. Showing my naïvity perhaps but it's not happening with the majority, haven't heard anything about the other 20+ children so does seem like the exception rather than the rule at this point.

I’m trying (often failing but still trying!) not to judge too harshly—they’re still very little, and so much can change. But it does make me wonder: why is it that people, even young children, often crave the approval of those who aren’t very kind? And what is it which makes some people SO much more popular than others?!

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Clarinet1 · 03/12/2024 19:23

Is it because the other children are scared that, if they don’t pander to the nasty/popular one, he or she will turn on them?

Littlemissgobby · 03/12/2024 19:27

I am not saying this is going on with this particular child.But you know how some people that are really popular and charming on the outside are actually great manipulators.
Some people like, shall we say cult leaders, that's they're stick.
Maybe a bit like donald trump, the thing is you wouldn't be able to get like that if you didn't have some sort of charisma

Littlemissgobby · 03/12/2024 19:30

Charles manson managed to get some very young, maybe influenced hippie children, teenagers to kill think about that and he didn't do anything with his own hands

Crazycatlady79 · 03/12/2024 19:32

Maybe stop gossiping with other parents about a KS1 child?!

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 03/12/2024 19:35

Because 'nice' isn't actually as high up on people's 'most important qualities in a friend' list as we like to think. Funny, cool, attractive, interesting, popular, intelligent, 'interested in the same things as me' and 'from the same background as me' probably all rank higher. And children haven't learned how to override that list and consciously prioritise nice people. Neither have lots of adults!

okayhescereal · 03/12/2024 19:43

Crazycatlady79 · 03/12/2024 19:32

Maybe stop gossiping with other parents about a KS1 child?!

If they were chatting about how kind and lovely someone was would that also be gossip? Perhaps a particular child got a part in the play? Is that allowed?

You've never had another parent discuss something with you which may involve someone from school? Feel more like parents who are relatively new to school ground politics sharing experiences, perhaps looking for advice from others, rather than gossip.

Quitelikeit · 03/12/2024 19:45

I think the nasty ones know how to just keep the balance right between going too far and alienating everyone

eRobin · 03/12/2024 19:47

When I was a child and in primary there were evil children like this in my class

goodkidsmaadhouse · 03/12/2024 19:48

IME of the kids I see at work and the kids at my kids’ schools - I haven’t actually experienced this at all. There are a handful of boys and girls who don’t seem especially kind and they’re popular amongst their own small groups of similarly not especially kind kids but most of the popular kids actually are the nice ones. Which is really lovely to see. And most of the kids are basically nice (mistakes that we all make notwithstanding!)

LittleRedRidingHoody · 03/12/2024 20:01

I think a lot of it is sheer confidence. DS is wildly popular ~ I was not! And being the mum of a popular kid is a huge culture shock ~ but the main difference seems to be in how he interacts.

He'll have a conversation with anyone, and expect them to want to join in and chat - as though they're just a friend he hasn't met yet. So peers his own age, he'll be best friends with immediately when we enter the park. Or adults. Or even older kids! DS is 5 and has point blank asked a random teenager to show him how to play basketball, and ended up with a bunch of teens lifting him up to push the ball through the hoop, giggling hysterically with him. Obviously if he was annoying anyone, I'd remove him from the situation and direct his attention elsewhere. But he never is! Everyone adores him! It's uncanny and a bit unnerving 🤣

okayhescereal · 03/12/2024 20:07

LittleRedRidingHoody · 03/12/2024 20:01

I think a lot of it is sheer confidence. DS is wildly popular ~ I was not! And being the mum of a popular kid is a huge culture shock ~ but the main difference seems to be in how he interacts.

He'll have a conversation with anyone, and expect them to want to join in and chat - as though they're just a friend he hasn't met yet. So peers his own age, he'll be best friends with immediately when we enter the park. Or adults. Or even older kids! DS is 5 and has point blank asked a random teenager to show him how to play basketball, and ended up with a bunch of teens lifting him up to push the ball through the hoop, giggling hysterically with him. Obviously if he was annoying anyone, I'd remove him from the situation and direct his attention elsewhere. But he never is! Everyone adores him! It's uncanny and a bit unnerving 🤣

Love this <3

Poodleville · 03/12/2024 20:07

Some people are like a ray of sunshine that people just love being near. But not always. Broadly speaking, I think people perceive some kind of power in some individuals, and think they will feel more powerful (or safe) by cosying up. When a group starts to head in the direction of one individual, others then think they'll miss out on something if they're not a part of it, and the momentum towards the chosen one builds even more.

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 03/12/2024 20:09

Some people just have more of a pull and presence than others. Naturally that would extend to children.

WarmFrogPond · 03/12/2024 20:12

I don’t think ‘kindness’ has anything to do with anyone’s appeal, though. Most adults are averagely kind, children often haven’t learnt to yet. But it’s certainly not a main criterion I look for in a friend. I take it for granted.

JLou08 · 03/12/2024 20:12

I've never understood it. Even as a child and teen I had no interest in popularity and it made me cringe (didn't even know what the word meant at the time) when I seen other people creep up to popular people and get excited when they had some acknowledgement from them. I just wanted to hang out with people who I felt comfortable with.

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:12

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 03/12/2024 19:35

Because 'nice' isn't actually as high up on people's 'most important qualities in a friend' list as we like to think. Funny, cool, attractive, interesting, popular, intelligent, 'interested in the same things as me' and 'from the same background as me' probably all rank higher. And children haven't learned how to override that list and consciously prioritise nice people. Neither have lots of adults!

Yes exactly this. In terms of social status hierarchies, nobody gives a shit about people's actual virtue or moral worth.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 03/12/2024 20:13

With this age it can be confidence, popularity, even just visibility - even if that visibility is the teacher reprimanding them every two minutes for poor behaviour.

TheaBrandt · 03/12/2024 20:13

Charisma. You’ve got it or you haven’t. How “nice” or not you are is irrelevant. Sadly people don’t seem to value “nice” in a friend as many friendless posters on here bemoan.

JLou08 · 03/12/2024 20:17

It would be interesting if some people came on this thread and admitted they were drawn to the kids who were mean and popular and gave some insight into the reasons.

Tittat50 · 03/12/2024 20:19

One of the funniest most charismatic person I knew at school was and is incredibly cruel and manipulative. Yet, they were incredibly popular then and in other ways still is now I believe.

I remember always being friends with the outgoing relatively popular girls and they were all absolute bitches. I really liked their charisma and humour but used to wish so much that nasty side wasn't there.

Eventually, I became friends with people who were not inherently nasty like that and felt so much more peace in their presence. They weren't the stand out popular ones but had inherently decent qualities.

stargazerlil · 03/12/2024 21:39

Must have charisma, but so did jimmy saville, ted buddy etc

ihatetaxreturns · 03/12/2024 22:15

My 10 yo has always been like this

She is not horrible though

She is just super confident and she genuinely doesn't care if people like her or not . And I think that's the key

She's also a bit different to other kids. Always has been. Like, today it was non uniform day. She wore a band t shirt , band hoody, converse and baggy jeans , most of the other girls were in girly stuff like dresses etc . I've noticed her friends copy her a lot as well.

WarmFrogPond · 03/12/2024 22:36

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:12

Yes exactly this. In terms of social status hierarchies, nobody gives a shit about people's actual virtue or moral worth.

Well, ‘niceness’ has very little to do with virtue or moral worth either.

Goldbar · 03/12/2024 23:23

At reception-age, I don't think it's hugely complicated. The popular children tend to be the happy, confident ones who smile, initiate games and who aren't afraid to go up to other children and say "Do you want to play?"

PissedOffAtApologistsForSA · 04/12/2024 03:43

@Goldbar I think is true in many cases. But the O P says this child is a bit unkind. Happy confident kids don't tend to be bullies.

@eRobin evil is a strong word to use about a child that young.