To ask you all to acknowledge this rise in non-stun slaughter?

[kinkytoes]

I've read numerous conversations on here where there seems to be a rejection of the fact that this even happens in the UK, let alone on a scale like this.

These animals need a voice! 30 million+ of them this year alone. This is not ok.

Reject Halal. Reject Kosher.

www.farminguk.com/news/rspca-calls-for-non-stun-slaughter-ban-as-numbers-rise-nearly-20-_65730.html

Although I think stunning is better than not, modern ways can hardly be described as humane.

Are you vegan?

This. If you’re giving up really care you won’t eat them. No animal wants to die.

Growth hormones are illegal in meat/dairy production in the UK/EU, and as a consequence USDA approved meat from North America is also banned (it's illegal to import meat that doesn't meat UK/EU regulations). AGPs were banned a couple of decades ago. It was a major concern with Brexit that free trade deals would allow hormone reared meat and dairy products into the UK.

Really? I don't recall you standing there next to me. i could smell death so the horse sure as hell could.

I think that person is a farmer so they won’t like what you’re saying and will tell you it’s nonsense. They like to keep the pretence up that farmed animals live happy lives and that they don’t feel fear when lining up to be slaughtered.

Ah, well that makes sense 😔

Many posts in and still no nuance to the debate? So typical of people in the UK at the moment.

Presenting facts and then discussing solutions is probably boring for you, but that’s what needs to happen to improve animal welfare.

You've obviously never been in a 'normal, Christian' abbatoir.
Animals are not massaged with scented oils and given a last meal of fresh spring grass while listening to relaxing music before the coup de gras is delivered. Stunning is hit and miss.
I've seen sheep slaughtered without stunning it is no more stressful/cruel than Kosher or Halal slaughter. If you're going to eat meat, understand that killing animals is brutal, and the people that work in non-kosher/halal places no not give a fuck about the animal
At least those going through religious slaughter get a prayer said over them before killing

Oppression of women is alive and well in many 'christian' sects, household and places of worship.
Try again

Thank you for being another voice of reason againstvthis excuse for racism

I hope you mean "coup de grâce". "Coup de gras" would mean something like being hammered with fat. 🤣

I struggle to understand. I looked in to this and decided that surely a quick unexpected death is more 'humane' than being shot then watching yourself and others around you die in a slower manner. There's nothing kind about killing animals. It's part of the food chain and unless you're vegetarian, I can't see the arguments against certain slaughter.

Yes, I did!! How embarrassing!
Thank you!
Altho' being hammered with fat has set me thinking of a new Christmas party game!!
🤣🤣

I'm baffled as to why I'm being accused of racism but the RSPCA apparently is not 🤷🏻‍♀️

Because they're better with words than you are.

Your call to action "Reject Halal. Reject Kosher." makes it all about the religious aspect. The RSPCA carefully frame it to be about No Stun first, religion second.

Again, I don’t know if OP is posting in good faith and have no time for racism, but I do animal welfare campaign work and a lot of people we meet don’t know that some animals are not stunned before slaughter in the UK and that religion is one of the reasons for this. Many know they will be eating halal at times, but don’t realise halal often means not stunned, I think it’s therefore a good idea to point out that not being stunned is often about the religious aspect. Animal welfare should not come second to religion and people should know exactly what has happened to an animal for it to appear on their plate. Offending someone’s about their religion concerns me a lot less than animals suffering more than is ‘necessary’. I use necessary very loosely.

Yep, which is why all religions can be an issue.

Stop labelling actual concerns as racism.
It helps nobody.

I'm much more concerned about the creature's quality of life prior to slaughter, to be honest. The slaughter, stunned or otherwise is, after all, just the last few seconds of life.

People focus on the slaughter method, whilst ignoring factory farming, intensive rearing and the like - which are forms of (very) extended torture.

This.

I think people like to pretend that the meat they eat hasn't involved any fear or pain for the animal that was killed.

I totally get why people would rather believe that and then vilify another means of slaughter to make out that the method the animals they eat were killed by is not so bad.

Just because it makes them feel better, it doesn't make it true though 🤷🏼‍♂️

I assume they're writing in good faith, just not very good at writing to persuade.

I'm fully familiar with slaughterhouses and their methods, as per a previous comment I worked in the meat industry and had reason to visit industrial scale farms, slaughterhouses and meat processing plants regularly. Mostly chicken, but also pork, beef and lamb. The general public has no idea how the industrial slaughter of animals for meat operates, or the range of slaughter methods used (religion-compliant or otherwise), or the range methods that can be defined as "stun". The public also has very little idea how the fish on their plate died.

We don’t have Christian abattoirs. What you describe is stunning not being performed properly. That is not an excuse to not bother. Stunning is the very minimum we should do for animal welfare. We live in a society where we eat meat-so the creatures we eat should have minimum levels of welfare. The fact that many are let down isn’t a reason not to bother. An animal should not be conscious when killed-it’s pretty basic. And wtf-at least it’s had a prayer? I’m sure they’re very grateful for that. But as far as I know, animals aren’t religious.

It's common to be accused of racism any time halal etc is mentioned. It's quite tiresome tbh.

To those who doubt my intentions, search my name and you'll see I've posted about horse riding and fox hunting so I'm very much about the animal cruelty rather than the religion.

Happy to be educated on this particular point though- Are there any other reasons for non stun slaughter than religion? Because I'll call them out too if so!