To ask you all to acknowledge this rise in non-stun slaughter?

[kinkytoes]

I've read numerous conversations on here where there seems to be a rejection of the fact that this even happens in the UK, let alone on a scale like this.

These animals need a voice! 30 million+ of them this year alone. This is not ok.

Reject Halal. Reject Kosher.

www.farminguk.com/news/rspca-calls-for-non-stun-slaughter-ban-as-numbers-rise-nearly-20-_65730.html

Eh?

Amazing how many people are so quick to jump on and make it about religion or the fact that the op should be opposed to all slaughter and not just happening to raise this point. Disgusting.

*waves pompoms in support of that reply!

@IcecreamWhatSandwich , you seem to be suggesting that the OP only cares because this type of slaughter is associated with Jews and Muslims. Maybe she’s like me, I’ve been vegetarian for 55 years and am increasingly moving towards a vegan lifestyle because I care about animals. I do not believe exceptions should be made to our laws, if you won’t eat the meat in this country there are alternatives. Are you going to suggest I’m a racist?

My DS was circumcised. Aged 17yrs.

Absolutely a medical need.

Isn't it though?

It happens all the time on here. I don't understand why! It's like I occupy some strange middle ground that nobody else seems to sympathise with.

@SpeculativeHoumous , I would much rather meat wasn’t eaten. The meat and dairy industries are cruelty personified but the point that the OP is making is that non stun slaughter is not legal because it is deemed cruel even in these cruel industries and is therefore banned; there should be no exceptions to that.

How is having religious beliefs involved in slaughter in any way better that not having?

It's tiresome (and deliberate to try to shut down discussion) to say any criticism of religious slaughter is racist. Religious, non stun slaughter is different and worse than the alternative.

I think if you are a meat eater - which I am - you don’t have a right to criticise any slaughter practice because let’s be honest if you cared enough you would be vegan.

I’m vegetarian, my family is not. We don’t eat anything halal or kosher. It’s really hard where we live. You cannot say anything to anyone as they assume you’re racist, when it’s the last thing we are. It immediately shuts down any meaningful discussion on it.

Humans love to categorise into right and wrong, black and white, but the reality is more nuanced. Animals can be slaughtered with great care and with good technique that minimises distress for the animal.

This kind of slaughter can be religious or non-religious.

Solutions for better animal welfare (aside from the population going vegan) are things like more frequent spot inspections of abattoirs, and perhaps more support for smaller, family run abattoirs with high welfare standards.

There is no way of killing in a slaughterhouse that is not cruel.

But yes, OP, there are gradations of horrific and this is one step down.

I'm of the opinion that all religions are fucking ridiculous and if animal cruelty is part of the doctrine, they need to adjust with the times.

It's disgraceful how a lot of people make this about Islamophobia. The OP has a very valid point about one aspect of slaughter. I won't eat anything halal. It doesn't somehow make me a racist.

That may be so. It is also often true that it is an attempt to stir up racism. I wonder which this is?

In fact, as far as Islam is concerned, much Halal meat is actually stunned - the injunction is that the animal must not have died as a result of the stunning. THis is just one of the many scholarly articles explaining this: https://www.ifta.org.uk/blog/stunned-meat

Anyone eating meats from New Zealand - which are widely and commonly available on supermarket meat shelves - is probably eating halal meat because 90% of New Zeland meat is processed in a halal way.

As a veggie I would obviously prefer no slaughter but in the absence of that the most humane method possible- regardless of religious dogmas - and as an agnostic I find all organised religions to be misogynistic outdated shite.

Absolutely bizarre first few responses to the OP

It's perfectly normal and right to not want an animal that you are going eat to suffer more than is necessary .

Any eating of animals is horrible as far as I am concerned.

I absolutely don't, as long as I'm well fed. And I don't say that to be edgy or controversial. I just don't care. For me personally, there are plenty of other things worth worrying about more than the origins of my food.

I completely understand why others disagree.

I have no problem with Halal or Kosher slaughtering.

I love meat. I want it killed as humanely as possible but from all I've seen and read H & K are as "good" a way as any other.

Certainly infinitely better for them if I had to kill the animals myself - which I WOULD do if needs be, so save yourself the bother of typing "good, you'd become vegetarian then" because it wouldn't happen.

Well that argument really has me stumped for a riposte 😂

It's the worst because they don't need to be killed in that way, it's savagely cruel no matter who is doing it. Stop trying to make this racism when in fact it is humanitarian

Stunning was introduced to improve animal welfare. So the animal isn’t conscious when its throat is slit. Slitting an animal’s throat while conscious is appalling cruelty. It doesn’t matter what reason it is. But justifying it because a guy who lived years ago tells you to is nuts. But then I think religion and superstition are both nuts. I get that it’s a community and people like to belong-but the idea that a supernatural being wants people to do certain things to make it happy?? But the main downside is the rest of us have to pander to it and trust it as ‘special’.

ALL animal agriculture is cruel and I will be vegan for life. Every single bit of it is horrific, animals should not have to serve humans like they do and we should not be drinking their breastmilk.

@Nolegusta how do you know there is "rarely a medical need" for circumcision?