The teacher from Batley is still in hiding

[Nicetrynigel]

Teacher Batley
His life ruined because a bunch of thugs decided they didn't like what he was teaching in his RE lesson.
This and the Labour MP's request for bhalsphey laws against those of the Abrahamic faith have made me concerned.

People should be free to offer an view against another's religion. It's scary that we are being a country where people thing being offended gives them a right to made death threats.

Mhmmmm
This just doesn’t wash any more.

People are seeing through it.

Also from Liverpool here and I don't know anyone who'd disagree that death threats must be condemned unreservedly so please don't judge our city by one example of victim-blaming.

I read one analysis that said the death threats were to send an early message to the new MP to stay in line - Brabin was MP at the time but was running for Mayor in the election 6 weeks later and would obviously stand down. It made sense to me because it was an established part of the curriculum, not that it would matter if it had been brand new material.

The info about The Book of Mormon is fascinating. I'm really looking forward to seeing it next year and I will be made up if Mormons are outsidgiggling us all a free book written by Jesus.

That's an interesting outlook. Should people be able to laugh at themselves in every and all situations and circumstances? Should someone with a terminally ill child be able to "laugh at themselves"? Just wondering how and why that's a requirement. I don't think anyone should be giving anyone else death threats, but just trying to understand what this means

And people see through you.

I’m not a victim of domestic violence, am I permitted to care about that issue?

I’m not a victim of rape, am I allowed to care about that issue?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-68659435

Perhaps you should do a bit more research.

It isn't just one incident

At the back of my mind wasn't there a protest about someone's sexuality or sex education being taught at a particular school or new legislation.

Also another area I wonder at. So, do we have a requirement to treat all religions exactly the same because they're.... Religions and so all want/need/desire/mean the same thing? How far do we take that judgement? Should we treat all people the same because they're people? That would be no exceptions made for people who need it.

It might not seem like a link, but some arguments don't seem like they'd stand if compared with literally any other situation

On your logic, freedom is wholly dependent on tip toeing around those who disagree and if there is a risk of disagreement avoiding the whole situation.

Not only is that the polar opposite of freedom, it is a dystopian nightmare.

Freedom depends on us all complying with agreed societal norms, and on those who break those norms eg by threatening others, being swiftly dealt with by the the appropriate authorities.Not a baying mob

In your hellscape might is right. Appalling

@ARealitycheck
Khan’s report suggests she does not agree with your view
I have Copied and pasted some key point below
Dame Sara Khan was appointed to lead the review into social cohesion in 2021
Dame Sara Khan's report, published on Monday, says:
The teacher involved faced an online and offline "campaign of intimidation and abuse", leaving him feeling "incredibly distressed, suicidal and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder"
Despite being cleared of any malicious intent by an independent investigation, he was "not considered a victim of crime" and missed out on access to support under the Victims' Code
The agencies involved failed to relay any clear condemnation of those creating "an intimidatory and threatening climate"
It found a disproportionate concern for not causing offence "to the religious sensibilities of those who, unaware of the facts, chose to engage in intimidation"
It highlighted a "poor understanding of cohesion" where protesters were appeased to secure an end to the protests
The report warned of a wider cultural problem of "self-appointed community faith leaders aggressively interfering in teaching" at some Batley schools

You’re making statements that Muslims as a religion want:

That their religious beliefs are followed by everyone.
That images of their prophet are never shown.
That questioning of their practises are not permitted. That they can harass people out of their jobs and make death threats without repercussions.

Are you making similar statements about those who commit domestic violence and rape?

Interesting isn’t it?
We’re simultaneously told it’s a “one off incident” and also a reasonable and expected reaction by a group well known for taking this stance.

Are people who commit rape and domestic violence calling for the death of teachers who are teaching their students about it?

Precisely.

How vague.

When those Christian bakers refused to bake a cake for a gay couple did you decide all Christians are bigoted?

I was referring to the protests in Birmingham in 2019

The Baker incident doesn't really compare, they weren't threatening to kill anyone or make someone go into hiding

Whilst I disagree with their stance, there is a huge difference between refusing to bake someone a cake and issuing death threats that make someone feel they need to hide.
I know which behaviour I would rather be faced with.

What about Briana Ghey murdered for being trans? That also not count as a hate crime?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196.amp here you are dimpli. This was a survey after Charlie Hebdo which suggested that around 27% of UK Muslims had sympathy with violence for people insulting their prophet (including presumably death as in CH). Is that acceptable? Would it be for Christians?

A very sad example of the significant societal differences people experience when being brought up in their own culture but live in foreign lands where their culture is not widespread to influence general societal norms like freedom of speech and the general act of debating. This level of inflexibility when applying your own cultural edict is what causes extremism.
The girl in the centre of this should also be facing trial.

As my Muslim friend tells me, when the jihadis come and talk extremism to him, he says that he loves England, that it's a great place to live and that if they don't like it, they should go home.

Sometimes, no matter how flexible and welcoming we are, we cannot, maybe should not accomodate behaviours at erode our own societal norms. We need to recognise this and exercise the right to deport. And I'm mixed race before anyone accuses me of anything.

@Dibbydoos , excellent points 👍

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The teacher was teaching what was in the curriculum. He wasn't being irresponsible or trying to stir up hatred. 'The lesson had been taught for two years and was part of the school’s curriculum, signed off by the senior leadership team (SLT).'

25% of Christians oppose gay rights.

www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/#:~:text=When%20the%20question%20was%20next,of%20those%20with%20no%20affiliation.

The pictures of the bombs in heads was not in the curriculum.

Have you actually read the content of your own link?! Really?