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The teacher from Batley is still in hiding

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Nicetrynigel · 03/12/2024 05:55

Teacher Batley
His life ruined because a bunch of thugs decided they didn't like what he was teaching in his RE lesson.
This and the Labour MP's request for bhalsphey laws against those of the Abrahamic faith have made me concerned.

People should be free to offer an view against another's religion. It's scary that we are being a country where people thing being offended gives them a right to made death threats.

Batley Grammar School teacher felt “totally isolated” “abandoned” and “suicidal” due to inadequate support from relevant agencies.

An official review, due to be published on Monday 25th March, 2024, is set to recommend the banning of protests outside schools, following a concerning incident where a teacher was forced into hidi…

https://neilwilby.com/2024/03/24/batley-grammar-school-teacher-felt-totally-isolated-abandoned-and-suicidal-due-to-inadequate-support-from-relevant-agencies/

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Menopausalsourpuss · 03/12/2024 21:04

Bookridden · 03/12/2024 20:31

This, absolutely. Surely the Batley community are horrified by how intolerant, stupid and violent this makes them look?

What does the local MP have to say on the matter?

Jo Cox's sister (was previously Jo Cox). There are obviously massive problems in that area.

MonikerTwo · 03/12/2024 21:06

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:03

Like common sense. A sensible person would not stand in eg a group of Tottenham fans and sing derogatory songs about Jews. Or stand outside Celtic park among their fans and sing about King Billy.

He was teaching a lesson- one that had been taught before.
A sensible person wouldn’t try to justify what happened to him using this idiotic analogy

Donttellempike · 03/12/2024 21:06

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 19:50

If it is an RE teacher, he fully knew the upset showing an image of mohammed would cause. While he might not agree with the thinking within Islam that it is a crime to do it, common sense should also prevail and don't go out your way to upset people.

This is such offensive claptrap I don’t kinowwhere to start. How dare you say this teacher deserves to have his life destroyed because he’s trying to educate people.

Absolutely disgusting justification of violence.

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:07

TENSsion · 03/12/2024 21:04

Because they’d be arrested. Not because they fear being beheaded.

Is it an arrestable offence to sing the Sash my Father Wore? No! But doing so would cause offence and likely get the person a kicking before the police got there.

I'm not condoning anyone taking violent action. Just pointing out an awareness of our surroundings is what keeps us safe when making comments.

Wellingtonspie · 03/12/2024 21:08

You wouldn’t do this or that…. Bet they say women were asking for it drinking in a dress or skirt too.

Shocking terribly a picture doesn’t deserve violence. Even if he shout I don’t believe in (name of the believed) inside a said place of prayer he still wouldn’t be deserving of a punch or threats of death. Maybe called a silly twat and to get the fuck out but violence? No. Criminal activity for words or cartoons or pictures bonkers.

Donttellempike · 03/12/2024 21:11

If people are so confident in their belief in made up people and stories , why do they give a toss what anyone else has to say on the matter?

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:13

Donttellempike · 03/12/2024 21:11

If people are so confident in their belief in made up people and stories , why do they give a toss what anyone else has to say on the matter?

Because as we all know, not everyone is as sensible as they should be.

TENSsion · 03/12/2024 21:13

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:07

Is it an arrestable offence to sing the Sash my Father Wore? No! But doing so would cause offence and likely get the person a kicking before the police got there.

I'm not condoning anyone taking violent action. Just pointing out an awareness of our surroundings is what keeps us safe when making comments.

What other violence could be avoided if we all stuck to your ideas about what keeps us safe because behaving in a certain way is asking for trouble?

Domestic abuse
Rape

DoreenonTill8 · 03/12/2024 21:14

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:07

Is it an arrestable offence to sing the Sash my Father Wore? No! But doing so would cause offence and likely get the person a kicking before the police got there.

I'm not condoning anyone taking violent action. Just pointing out an awareness of our surroundings is what keeps us safe when making comments.

Are you female @ARealitycheck ?would you accept being stoned to death for having access to the Internet and posting your opinion because some people think you shouldn't be allowed to?

MonikerTwo · 03/12/2024 21:14

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:07

Is it an arrestable offence to sing the Sash my Father Wore? No! But doing so would cause offence and likely get the person a kicking before the police got there.

I'm not condoning anyone taking violent action. Just pointing out an awareness of our surroundings is what keeps us safe when making comments.

Why are you trying to minimise the appalling treatment of this teacher?
The comparisons to keeping quiet in the company of football hooligans and sectarian thugs are really odd - we are talking about an RE teacher teaching sixth form!
He had a right to feel safe at school teaching a lesson that had been taught before.
What excuse would you give for the thugs who beheaded the teacher in France ? Maybe it was his fault too?

CarmelaBrunella · 03/12/2024 21:14

Donttellempike · 03/12/2024 21:11

If people are so confident in their belief in made up people and stories , why do they give a toss what anyone else has to say on the matter?

They cannot tolerate dissent.

Donttellempike · 03/12/2024 21:16

Well tough monkeys because this is a liberal democracy.

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:18

TENSsion · 03/12/2024 21:13

What other violence could be avoided if we all stuck to your ideas about what keeps us safe because behaving in a certain way is asking for trouble?

Domestic abuse
Rape

Would you walk down an unlit city side street early hours of Sunday morning as the clubs came out. Probably not.

Would you go back to a guy you just met home with his male mates after a club and a few drinks. Again, not if you were being sensible.

A group of people injecting heroin in a bus stop. Would you go and wait for the bus there. Unlikely.

We all make these decisions daily to ensure our safety.

suburburban · 03/12/2024 21:18

Why can't they turn the other cheek

Revenge is mine saith the lord

i.e.not human kind being violent

Wellingtonspie · 03/12/2024 21:21

A teacher teaching the set school lesson should be safe to teach the lesson.

Maybe people who don’t like teachings about their beliefs in ways they don’t believe should use schools that fit their beliefs… rather than go to a school that teaches everything and then make death threats.

TENSsion · 03/12/2024 21:21

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:18

Would you walk down an unlit city side street early hours of Sunday morning as the clubs came out. Probably not.

Would you go back to a guy you just met home with his male mates after a club and a few drinks. Again, not if you were being sensible.

A group of people injecting heroin in a bus stop. Would you go and wait for the bus there. Unlikely.

We all make these decisions daily to ensure our safety.

Oh you’re a “she was asking for it” type.

Well, there’s no point discussing much with you.

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:25

MonikerTwo · 03/12/2024 21:14

Why are you trying to minimise the appalling treatment of this teacher?
The comparisons to keeping quiet in the company of football hooligans and sectarian thugs are really odd - we are talking about an RE teacher teaching sixth form!
He had a right to feel safe at school teaching a lesson that had been taught before.
What excuse would you give for the thugs who beheaded the teacher in France ? Maybe it was his fault too?

'' we are talking about an RE teacher teaching sixth form!''

We are talking about an educated man, who's specialist subject is religion. Who was teaching in an area with a very high percentage of muslims and muslim pupils. The vast majority of people know that creating an image of muhammed is in their eyes a great insult. So I'd suspect an RE teacher would know even better. At the very best, he was incredibly stupid, and if so shouldn't be doing the job. At worst he intended to cause offence and upset.

DancingOctopus · 03/12/2024 21:26

Wellingtonspie · 03/12/2024 21:21

A teacher teaching the set school lesson should be safe to teach the lesson.

Maybe people who don’t like teachings about their beliefs in ways they don’t believe should use schools that fit their beliefs… rather than go to a school that teaches everything and then make death threats.

I would argue that no school, religious or otherwise,should be allowed to teach that you can make death threats if someone says something against your beliefs.

suburburban · 03/12/2024 21:28

Why can't they tolerate it though and think it's an opinion

"Just because teacher says this it doesn't make it true"

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:28

TENSsion · 03/12/2024 21:21

Oh you’re a “she was asking for it” type.

Well, there’s no point discussing much with you.

No I am of the camp lets not put ourselves in danger. Graveyards are full of people who were right.

Wellingtonspie · 03/12/2024 21:28

DancingOctopus · 03/12/2024 21:26

I would argue that no school, religious or otherwise,should be allowed to teach that you can make death threats if someone says something against your beliefs.

Indeed but if you want your chosen head of religion to be respected higher than any others and treated with special we must not offend or question ever use a school that represents that religion I’d say.

FitAt50 · 03/12/2024 21:29

I despair at how we pander to Islam and treat it like all other religions are insignificant in comparision. I am from a mormon family and that religion gets mocked all the time - hell they even made a musical about them. Rather than threatening people or screaming protests, the church send missionarys to hand out copies of the Book of Mormon outside theatres "You've seen the musical, now read the book". The reality is, Islam is not a religion or peace or tolerance, its a religion of angry, controlling men.

Wellingtonspie · 03/12/2024 21:29

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:25

'' we are talking about an RE teacher teaching sixth form!''

We are talking about an educated man, who's specialist subject is religion. Who was teaching in an area with a very high percentage of muslims and muslim pupils. The vast majority of people know that creating an image of muhammed is in their eyes a great insult. So I'd suspect an RE teacher would know even better. At the very best, he was incredibly stupid, and if so shouldn't be doing the job. At worst he intended to cause offence and upset.

A RE teacher teaching the schools set lesson. That the school had used for years prior.

Maybe the families of the offended should have researched their school choice better.

ForegoneConfusion · 03/12/2024 21:30

ARealitycheck · 03/12/2024 21:25

'' we are talking about an RE teacher teaching sixth form!''

We are talking about an educated man, who's specialist subject is religion. Who was teaching in an area with a very high percentage of muslims and muslim pupils. The vast majority of people know that creating an image of muhammed is in their eyes a great insult. So I'd suspect an RE teacher would know even better. At the very best, he was incredibly stupid, and if so shouldn't be doing the job. At worst he intended to cause offence and upset.

He was teaching the school curriculum, which is what he had been employed to do.

ItoldyouIwassick · 03/12/2024 21:32

Ponoka7 · 03/12/2024 12:08

He was teaching a class on religion. He has a good percentage of Muslim pupils in his class. He chose a offensive caricature to use. If it was a sexist or racist caricature, posters would be calling for him to be sacked and he would have broken laws and policies. It's a serious misjudgement at the least. He should have met with the Iman and explained his reasoning, then gone before a teaching panel. You can hold what views you want, but keep them out of a classroom.

What's it got to do with an Imam what is taught in a secular school in a secular country?

There is the right to freedom of worship in the UK. That's not the same as the right to demand other people respect your religious peculiarities. You just have the right to worship according to your beliefs,no more no less. It is, however, illegal to make death threats. Are you suggesting that Muslims are allowed to behave contrary to law?

The thing about sex and race are they are inherent characteristics. Adhering to a particular religion isn't an inherent characteristic. It's a choice, based on opinion. Opinion which others are free to challenge and dispute. You want religious freedom? That's the responsibility that comes with it.

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