The teacher from Batley is still in hiding

[Nicetrynigel]

Teacher Batley
His life ruined because a bunch of thugs decided they didn't like what he was teaching in his RE lesson.
This and the Labour MP's request for bhalsphey laws against those of the Abrahamic faith have made me concerned.

People should be free to offer an view against another's religion. It's scary that we are being a country where people thing being offended gives them a right to made death threats.

Of course it is.
You know nothing
A blasphemous image is just that, no matter what religion.
The difference is the way other religions respect the rights of free speech

Scammersarescum ·
" make images of Allah absolutely ubiquitous. Put them everywhere."

That's the same as saying put pictures of God everywhere.

Every year Catholics have to endure bonfire night. I know a devout Catholic who still doesn’t like it and moans every year but it’s part of being British now so 🤷‍♀️
I also know that they don’t threaten anybody who celebrates it.
It’s not the religion per se that is the issue. It’s the entitlement that some Muslims have that it’s a superior religion and we should, as a country, change who we are and what we teach to make allowances.
It’s not British culture that needs to become more tolerant.

This is actually a really good example. Thank you.

As a Catholic I’ve avoided mentioning the 5th November, ( that says a lot thinking about it )
So thanks for that

I think lots of them did go somewhere they could live within the rules they wanted, that was ISIS controlled Syria.

Why should he respect a bunch of bloodthirsty thugs and bend to their will? What you are talking about is fear, not respect.

Adults who believe in God/Allah are the same as children who belive in Father Christmas. Seems about right.

Although children tend to grow out of it.

BTW, the old saying that respect is earned springs to mind. I don't have to respect people who behave badly if I don't agree with them.

I don't think that they are tbh. It was aimed at that poster and her violent vitriol against the teacher.

Every year Catholics have to endure bonfire night.

Guy Fawkes was plotting a terrorist attack on the monarchy and the elected Parliament. That is what bonfire night is about, not the fact that he was a Catholic.

Remember, remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot....

No that’s wrong
King James insisted everyone attend (this law was only fairly recently repealed ) the celebration of burning Catholics.
Images of the Pope were also put on these bonfires
Its purpose was an anti Catholic event. Nothing more.

Im afraid your version is what we were all taught in school, it’s not historical fact and not why this ‘celebration’ was introduced.

Effigies of the pope were regularly burnt on bonfires in Britain up to th 19thC . Only common in NI now.

No religion should be taught in schools, unless at a religious school.

100% This

I think all religion should be taught in school, religion is important in lots of peoples lives others should have an understanding of it.

I want my child to be taught all aspects of all religion in an A religious environment this means showing the positives and the negatives by a truly Independent teacher and we must allow this to happen. It should not be allowed for any religion to prevent this and our nations beliefs and traditions in accommodating all should never be at the expense of not accommodating another.

were there any arrests of these people if not why not ? I do think that the police/government tread too lightly on certain groups in society.

all of the rioters got swift justice yet the lads that beat up the female police officers seems to have gone silent.

In general I tend to agree. But it did occur to me that it would be possible to make an offensive cartoon of Jesus. And then I wondered whether Charlie Hebdo might have done just that. And, it turns out, they did indeed. I think many Christians would be quite offended by sexualised cartoons of the Trinity.

There’s something very powerful about images. Once you’ve seen something you can’t unsee it. So I don’t think it’s wise to show schoolchildren racist images, even with good intentions about understanding blasphemy. I agree there should be freedom of thought and discussion, but I would be upset if my children were presented with the Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoon in school.

Henry Vlll broke from Rome, some subjects stayed loyal to Rome, sectarian troubles ensued. Fawkes was a Catholic (converted to ) and wanted to assassinate Protestant King James (of King James bible fame) and install a Catholic monarch, which is where the anti-Catholic feeling came in.

Catherine wheels are a gruesome reminder of times past too.

Anti Catholicism was rife
Technically people hated Catholics well before the Gunpowder plot but they just wouldn’t conform and change their religion. They practiced in hiding and paid their fines not to attend c of e churches.
James was a bit too lenient on the Catholics at the time ( his wife was Catholic ) so it’s thought the whole blow up Parliament thing ( not Fawkes idea ) could even have been a conspiracy to get James onboard. Which of course is exactly what happened. ( there’s some evidence for this but nothing concrete )
Win win…..Result ……Let’s celebrate burning Catholics and enforce it by law for everyone to attend…

Scarey times to be alive…let’s hope we never see any of that again. Which neatly brings us back to this thread

The difference is that Christians do not object to images of Jesus as such. They may object to images that are intended to ridicule or satirize Jesus, but not to all images on principle. Indeed, paintings and sculptures representing Jesus and other sacred characters feature strongly in churches and in the history of art.

Many Muslims (not all, and I don't think it's explicitly mentioned in the Quran) do consider images of Mohammed to be blasphemous.as such. Obviously, if the images ridicules Mohammed, it is seen as even worse; but to many, any image is seen as wrong.

Obviously, in neither case are death threats excusable.

Nowadays, yes, But that 'Please to remember' poem includes a verse, now rarely sung for obvious reasons, but quite common in the past, (Warning: it's pretty offensive):

A penny loaf to feed the Pope
A farthing o' cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A fagot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah hoorah!

If you RTFT you’ll see this has been discussed to death.
Had to explain it all in full last night to someone who didn’t understand

Have we gone through a full circle and can agree that no one has the right to not be offended?

I think the voting is conclusive.
Shame it can’t help the poor teacher whose life has been ruined because of these thugs.

The poor teacher's experience wont get better.
It may change voting in the future (but that could come with other costs).