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Apparently I'm beautiful NOW

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BlueSilverCats · 02/12/2024 17:10

I have very slowly been losing weight. Mum has been making comments but I mostly downplayed it, not looking for compliments or mentioning it or anything.

Today she told me I'm actually beautiful now. Jeese... thanks mum. Only took 30 something years.

Every time she moaned at me for being fat it was always followed by "of course it's mainly about health". No , it's not. At least not to her.

OP posts:
OctopusFriend · 02/12/2024 20:07

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 02/12/2024 20:01

It has nothing to do with your Mom being a "Boomer". She's just a shitty, shallow person.

This.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 02/12/2024 20:08

OctopusFriend · 02/12/2024 19:48

"baby boomers" are not a hive mind.
They are millions of people of all classes, regions and experiences. How ignorant and lazy to stereotype an entire generation!

What was it like back then living in the 40's and 50's England. A lot of people back then were skinny. It's only when the processed rubbish entered our supermarkets everything changed. People don't need to cook today. That's the difference £10 for ten pizzas it's a healthy risk for diabetes. It's never been better for pharmaceutical industry. Today people are getting cancer early compared to previous generations. I cook from scratch lamb neck stew, ox tail stew, chicken soup, fish soup and the list goes on.

Ferrissia3 · 02/12/2024 20:10

Solidarity. I went through a bad break up in my 20s and ended up withdrawn, insomniac, and underweight. My mum told me at least my face looks prettier when I'm thin 🙄

SabreIsMyFave · 02/12/2024 20:11

Lelophants · 02/12/2024 19:26

“Oh you look beautiful now.” This is what was said. No health professional should be saying that.

With regards to her mum, how about - you were always beautiful but now you look so happy and healthy you’re glowing.

Around 12-13 years ago when my DD was around 14 to 15, a GP nurse who was seeing my DD for something (when I was with her) observed that she had lost weight - (she had lost 2 stone.) DD wanted to lose another 2 stone. At 5 ft 7, she was 13 stone, and had dropped to 11, and wanted to be 9.

The nurse said 'oh you're quite a pretty girl, and as soon as that extra 2 stone is off, you'll be so much prettier!' 😄

Really clumsy thing to say, and she shouldn't have said it, but as has been said, as much as we hate to admit it, the majority of people will look better slimmer. Not necessarily too thin, but slimmer. DD went down to 8 stone and looked gaunt and ill. She looked better at 9 and a half to 10 stone. (She is around that weight now...)

As I said earlier, I look better now compared to how I looked 7 or so months ago - I'm 2 and a half stone lighter (and 3 dress sizes smaller.) For all the reasons I listed. I dress better, I do my hair nicer, and I do my nails, and make more effort with my make up and jewellery and accessories, and I look better in my clothes. At 5 ft 3 I can't afford to carry too much extra weight, and 2 and a half stone off me is very noticeable. I am also brimming with confidence now too.

The GP Nurse was Generation X like me by the way, and not a 'boomer.' I also dislike that word. As a pp said earlier, it's usually laced with sarcasm and contempt when someone talks about a 'boomer.' I say babyboomer if I am talking about it with someone in real life.

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Didimum · 02/12/2024 20:11

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/12/2024 19:44

No one is saying every single person born in the 40s and 50s makes awful comments about weight.. They are. That’s why people are commenting.

No they’re not. They are pointing out that certain attitudes, values and opinions are more likely to be heavily influenced by the social, educational and cultural messaging of the time they experienced their formative years. These shift over time, hence we see a general shift in the majority public opinion.

No one is cookie cut, but everyone exists on the bell curve.

OctopusFriend · 02/12/2024 20:12

What was it like? In my neighbourhood, people were well off. They'd suffered rationing and now they could get what food they wanted. Many ate too much and were overweight. It wasn't processed food, but cream, butter, cakes, fatty meat, bacon sandwiches, chocolate bars. They were enjoying themselves after privation.
Then again - some were slim! Some were poor, some couldn't afford a car. Some ate frugally.
Some were migrants from the Caribbean or India. Some were women, some men. I went to university. Some girls in my class left school at 16.
Life then, as now, was varied.

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/12/2024 20:13

Didimum · 02/12/2024 17:37

The boomer mentality is often centred around weight being linked to worth and not a genuine health concern, which is completely different to the ‘fat can be fit’ message and not really connected. It’s all about appearance.

Whether you agree that fat can be fit or not, everyone should agree that your worth is not a sliding scale of weight.

It really isn't. Ageism strikes again.

pumpkinpillow · 02/12/2024 20:15

They are pointing out that certain attitudes, values and opinions are more likely to be heavily influenced by the social, educational and cultural messaging of the time they experienced their formative years.

No, many, many people have spouted "boomers" or "that generation" or "they [boomers] thought that", not that "many people may have been influenced by....." or xyz was more prevalent in the 50s which may have shaped how some parents raised their families.

MereDintofPandiculation · 02/12/2024 20:16

Didimum · 02/12/2024 20:11

No they’re not. They are pointing out that certain attitudes, values and opinions are more likely to be heavily influenced by the social, educational and cultural messaging of the time they experienced their formative years. These shift over time, hence we see a general shift in the majority public opinion.

No one is cookie cut, but everyone exists on the bell curve.

You may be taking that view, but the fact they're using the pejorative term "boomer" suggests otherwise.

ToothHurtyAppointment · 02/12/2024 20:17

Growing up, mum was pretty big (size 18-20). But that never stopped her commenting on everyone’s bodies. I was about 7 and we drove by a park and my friends were playing. One of my friends had a little puppy fat, but was still super tiny, and my mum went on for years and years about that friend being a ‘blimp’, and would only ever refer to her as ‘blimp’.

Mum had a friend who lived across the road. Her friend had a little girl, about age 2. This little girl was always on the heavier side. My mum was horrendous about her behind her back and would only ever refer to her as blobby, or the blob. I was about 7 years old and even I understood how awful this was. Mum still called her blobby 30 years later.

Dad was just as bad. Mum had a tummy, he would shake it in bed with his hand and say things like “wibbly wobbly world”. This was from when I was about 2.

Dad also called me thunder thighs when I was in high school. I was literally age 14 wearing age 9-10 clothes, but muscular from running, swimming, hockey and gymnastics. I started skipping meals at school and home and lost almost 2 stone that I couldn’t afford to lose. Then all of a sudden there was mock concern about being to thin, but he and mom would describe me to others as being “soooo petite because she’s a gymnast” like it was a good thing.

Dad also always commenting on women on TV. Gross.

Mum also commenting on women on TV and in public. Not a single woman could walk past without mum giving a running commentary on her flaws with her body.

My mum also had some colleagues who were also very verbal about bodies and weight. They’d tell her things like “your daughter is so good looking just don’t let her get fat”… I even had colleagues my parent’s age who were obsessed with discussing bodies and talking negatively about people’s bodies behind their backs.

The magazines produced in the 90’s about body flaws were disgusting. Mum would buy them sometimes so her and her friends could shame the people in them, while sat there drinking tea and eating biscuits.

Being attractive was 100% linked to worth, especially as a woman. Mum didn’t care if I got A’s at school, she was more interested in how many cat calls I got while she walked me to school. She’d revel in telling all her friends and colleagues how she can’t take me anywhere. She loved it when her male supervisors in their 49’s-60’s, would tell her that her daughter (age 13-15) is gorgeous/sexy. I remember a holiday to Egypt where men were fawning over me and I felt so uncomfortable and unsafe; she was more interested in getting postcards to send home to her friends so she could write to them about how attractive they were all finding me. She honestly seemed to think she’d made it in life because she created something that pleased the male gaze.

And it wasn’t just the “boomer” generation. My own granddad said to me hours after giving birth, that I’ve put on weight!!! So I fully understand why my parents and many people their age were like this, it’s because they’re a product of society at the time.

It is also very difficult to shake off the upbringing and ensure it doesn’t spill over into my daughter’s generation. Because those ingrained, internalised perspectives can so easily become you, if you let them.

Applesonthelawn · 02/12/2024 20:20

We have evolved to find good health attractive. It's natural to consider a person who has achieved a healthy weight to be more physically attractive than they were at an unhealthy weight. Obviously physical attractiveness is not the whole picture by a long chalk, but for what it's worth, healthy weight undeniably equals more attractive than unhealthy weight.

Garlicwest · 02/12/2024 20:23

chocolaterevels · 02/12/2024 17:58

So true. If I lose a stone 'DH' actually deems me worthy of talking to. When I lost 2 stone he actually put an arm round me. Keep in mind at my heaviest I'm a size 10. He (and my parents) only approve of me when I'm a size 6, with no excess fat.

OMG! Why are you still married?

Hillrunning · 02/12/2024 20:23

chocolaterevels · 02/12/2024 17:58

So true. If I lose a stone 'DH' actually deems me worthy of talking to. When I lost 2 stone he actually put an arm round me. Keep in mind at my heaviest I'm a size 10. He (and my parents) only approve of me when I'm a size 6, with no excess fat.

Oh this is horrible. I am so sorry.

WillowTit · 02/12/2024 20:24

MiraculousLadybug · 02/12/2024 17:43

WTF is it with everyone blaming "boomers" for everything today?! As a non-boomer I'm embarrassed for everyone with their shit ageist generalisations.

and who knows, they might be generation X?

NecklessMumster · 02/12/2024 20:27

Didimum · 02/12/2024 20:02

Social science is not ageism. It’s a reason why attitudes and ways of understanding the world shift over time due to social and cultural influences.

When I studied social sciences it was more about class and culture. I was taught that a group of old people were no more homogeneous than a group of 25 year olds

fivebyfivebuffy · 02/12/2024 20:29

Th most annoying thing for me was she was fuming I wasn't a petite blonde she could rave over to her friends
Like your brother is a heavyweight boxer and your dad was a wrestler - it's your bloody genes that mean I'm built like I should be hefting logs about!

SisterAgatha · 02/12/2024 20:41

It’s absolutly not just boomers. I have lost (and maintained) 5 stone and encounter this attitude from a lot of people of all ages, but mostly male friends who are suddenly interested in me after friend zoning for years.

PinkArt · 02/12/2024 20:42

ABirdsEyeView · 02/12/2024 19:54

I'm not sure this is an age thing so much as a woman thing. Remember heroin chic in the 90s? Can't blame 'boomers' for that!
I do suppose though that women who are now in their 60s and 70s saw fewer fat people when they were young, since there wasn't the junk food that's available now. As a child of the 70s and 80s there was one 'fat' kid in each year group and they weren't usually that big by today's standards.
But we still have it in our heads that slim is attractive and that's reinforced everywhere. Despite body positive promotion no one really thinks that big is beautiful - very few bigger women are seen as genuinely gorgeous. The fact that so many celebrity women are on ozempic proves it!

My mum was always in a diet when I was growing up - she wasn't even big. Size 10 iirc. It's ingrained in our culture. I'm really careful with my dd and never comment on weight but she's absorbed the messaging from the influences she's exposed to that I have little control over.

Boomers were running the fashion industry in the 90s - Anna Wintour, Alexandra Shulman, Andre Leon Talley. (Some) boomers, along with some Gen Xers, are absolutely responsible for that aesthetic

schmeler · 02/12/2024 20:43

Coolasfeck · 02/12/2024 17:28

I think the ‘boomer’ generation had a better attitude towards weight than younger generations who are ‘body positive’ and kid themselves that you can be fat and fit.

The size of some younger people is almost unbelievable. The ‘boomers’ will outlive many of them. Sometimes the gentle approach doesn’t work and you just need to tell your loved one they are getting too big.

I’d be as upset if my kids were obese as if they had started smoking.

Because you get a kick out of telling them something they already know?

Not sure what benefit it brings other to that to the person saying it who gets some kind of pleasure from telling someone something bad.

MyLoyalEagle · 02/12/2024 20:47

Marsaala · 02/12/2024 19:05

I'm really confused by this thread. You've lost weight and you look beautiful now. Is that not good? Being overweight often hides facial contours etc.

I'm sorry but I really don't understand the upset on this thread.

That's I was going to say.

Onetimeonly2024 · 02/12/2024 20:48

This is a dreadful cliche but I honestly think “beauty” comes from who you are not what you look like. And anyone who judges who you are from what you look like, isn’t really “beautiful” themselves, no matter what they look like.

Papyrophile · 02/12/2024 20:51

I am a boomer, and frankly I think most people more than 20 years younger than me are grossly obese when I look at them in the supermarket. Twenty year olds at sizes 18 and 20, or larger. Who is deluding themself?

Dietingfool · 02/12/2024 20:56

MyLoyalEagle · 02/12/2024 20:47

That's I was going to say.

Me too, I’m not getting it, or all this talk of boomers, like it is generational. It is not, very few people think someone looks better fat. And that’s today, Don’t get me wrong, some like a bit of that, but generally we are programmed to think a healthy weight Is the most attractive. It’s hardly some ground breaking revelation or attitude reserved for 60-80 year olds.

Ponoka7 · 02/12/2024 20:57

Dietingfool · 02/12/2024 18:17

But they got 8t from the generation before. They didn’t invent it. And fat is still seen as a moral failing. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

amd to stereotype a whole generation is simply ludicrous. A 78 year old and a 60 year old can have very different views. Even two people the same age.

They didn't just get it from the generation before. It came via advertising, media and through society as a whole. As I said, of course some people work against the conditioning they had while growing up, but many won't shake of the internalised misogyny/sexism. I just missed being a boomer, my sister is of that generation. Her and her friends went to Uni, pushed against the expectations on women, read Germaine Greer/Fat is a feminist issue etc etc. But it's also true that people can get more right wing and narrow as they age and I found that about five years ago I was having to challenge some of what they said re older/bigger women.

Papyrophile · 02/12/2024 20:59

I am 68, 5'5", 63kg. I am a normal size (10/12) for my height and weight.