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AIBU?

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Teacher treating children too young

313 replies

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 21:40

My child is in a year 3 class, the teacher now sings a song to get them to sit on the carpet and has organised a book advent for this week. The children are 7 and 8, I feel they are far too old to be sung to sit on the carpet. Aibu to talk to the headteacher?

OP posts:
adriftinadenofvipers · 02/12/2024 00:34

MYOB!!!

ClairDeLaLune · 02/12/2024 00:37

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

University lecturer?? Hahaha yes of course you are OP. Generally university lecturers know it’s “would have” not “would of”.

You sound utterly ridiculous. The teacher has a happy class of kids, yeah complain about them and get them forced out of their job or so disillusioned they quit. The kids are treated like kids. Oh no, shock horror! Give them vapes, get them on TikTok, and send them off clubbing.

Your original post is extremely depressing. Unclench FFS.

KillerTomato7 · 02/12/2024 00:38

A song? In Year 3?!!!

You should probably call the police, just to be safe. This is too urgent a matter to wait for the headteacher.

ItGhoul · 02/12/2024 02:37

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

If it's not harming anyone, and the children are apparently responding to it, why do you think it's inappropriate? Why do you think the teacher shouldn't do it, exactly?

Why do you think 'book advent' isn't acceptable for a 7-8 year old?

I would of thought an experienced teacher...

And I would have thought that a supposed university lecturer would know that it's 'would have' and not 'would of', but I wouldn't phone the university to complain.

Sugargliderwombat · 02/12/2024 05:49

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:41

I didn't realise you have to work at your child's school to be allowed the right to complain.

You can complain all you like but teachers are observed when they apply for the job and regularly during. Behaviour / classroom management strategies are high on every schools agenda so management will obviously be fine with it.

jasminocereusbritannicus · 02/12/2024 06:56

I work in a year 3 class. We maybe don’t sing at tidy-up time ( but if it work d, we would!) , however we have calming , tinkly music playing while they’re working whi ch h seems to help. And a book advent is actually a really good idea!!! Why do think 8 year olds are too old for this?
Teacher’s have multitudinous ways of managing their classes…. This is obviously the one that works for your daughter’s class.

Seriously, you think this is something to complain about? Have you asked other parents? I’ll dare bet most of them think it is absolutely fine.
Year 2 to 3 is a big step, they need things that are familiar as well as new ways of doing things. 7 - 8 years old is still quite “young” in lots of ways.
I don’t suppose they’ll do this in year in 4…. Unless they’re the sort of class that needs these sort of cues.

Threelittleduck · 02/12/2024 07:12

Do you object to songs in assembly too? What about music lesson? Can they sing then? Christmas concert or Easter concert, can they sing then?
YABU and totally ridiculous. Sounds like he's a good teacher to me. Would you prefer he shouted or nagged the kids?
Still as someone else said you can complain, the staff enjoy a good laugh. I won't tell you about some of the ridiculous complaints we used to get when I worked at a nursery.

titbumwillypoo · 02/12/2024 07:28

OP I had my year 4's singing The Continents Song in geography on Friday. I now see the error of my ways and shall apologise and ask them to give me an age appropriate flogging this morning.

Londonrach1 · 02/12/2024 07:31

Yabu. Can't believe parents act like you to teachers. My dd is in year 4 and they have songs which she sing back at me sometimes. They love it. Book advert. Sounds like a lovely teacher.

Londonrach1 · 02/12/2024 07:34

titbumwillypoo · 02/12/2024 07:28

OP I had my year 4's singing The Continents Song in geography on Friday. I now see the error of my ways and shall apologise and ask them to give me an age appropriate flogging this morning.

My dd aged 8 loves the continents song...so tbh do I....Asia, Africa, north and south America...only just realized that the song is in order from biggest to smallest. We other songs bought back too.... Think children learn better with songs....

MsGoodenough · 02/12/2024 07:34

Singing is one of life's great pleasures. My Year 11 use songs and chants to help with their revision. They love it. No such thing as too old for a song.

tuvamoodyson · 02/12/2024 07:35
Angela Lansbury Popcorn GIF

I’m BEGGING you to complain OP…..I’ll be right here waiting for the response.

Quickdraw23 · 02/12/2024 07:37

I’ve read all your posts OP but not all of the replies so I’m sorry if this is repetitive.

i get the impression that you see singing a song to mark a transition as immature, but repectfully I think this concern is misplaced. Music is used to mark transition in many adult media like film, tv, news programmes.

secondly, I don’t think you maybe appreciate how loud a classroom of 30+ 8 year olds can be, and starting a song can be a way of getting their attention without shouting at them. Surely this is preferable?

no doubt there will be schools around who take a more sombre approach, but given how fast kids are having to grow up thanks to the internet, culture etc etc, surely a bit of light hearted approach here and there is a nice thing?

its fair enough if your child finds it a bit naff, but as you said its not hurting anyone, so where’s the harm?

complaining to the head is unlikely to achieve anything except making probably an already stressed and overloaded teacher feel criticised to be honest.

EmpressOfTheThread · 02/12/2024 07:43

I think this is just another example of someone with no idea what teaching is, who nevertheless thinks that they know better than the teacher.

Combattingthemoaners · 02/12/2024 07:54

Beggars belief.

Takeoutyourhen · 02/12/2024 08:01

Email the school office as a matter of urgency and book a meeting with the head.
Then come back here and tell us about what you learned about retrieval practice, child psychology and no doubt you’ll be reminded about the ages of year 3 pupils.

Same applies for when they are in secondary school. No, they will not be learning Masters level science or PhD thesis content in year 7.

Give your head a wobble.

Don’t consider becoming an Ofsted inspector.

Covidwoes · 02/12/2024 08:04

Oh my goodness, this post has to be a joke! YABVVVVU. I'm a year 3 teacher, and this sounds fantastic! Singing is a great way to get the children's attention, and they'll love it more than a spoken instruction. I sing a fair bit to my Y3 class and they love it, and I can guarantee it grabs their attention every time. Also, a book advent calendar is wonderful. How lucky are the children to get that. The teacher sounds great!

JetskiSkyJumper · 02/12/2024 08:25

I think it's lovely. Kids are made to grow up too quickly these days.

BobTheBobcatsBob · 02/12/2024 08:25

What on earth is your issue with a book advent? It's a lovely idea. Or do you think books/reading books to children is something that should only be done for pre-schoolers? As for music as a transition, maybe it's not that the teacher is treating the kids too young, but that you treat your 7 year old too old?

FarmGirl78 · 02/12/2024 08:46

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:19

University Lecturer

Ahh, so education, but the point where they all want to be there and understand the need for their cooperation in your efforts to improve their knowledge. Not the age where you perhaps need a wide variety of methods of gaining their attention to get a point across in a stimulating and fun way. 🙄

TheCompactPussycat · 02/12/2024 08:51

It is a perfectly age appropriate strategy. Sadly too many children are exposed to age-inappropriate experiences and encouraged to 'grow-up' too quickly these days.

As a 'university lecturer', you have hopefully now learned that the literate version of the expression is "would have" and not "would of". Perhaps you could also do some research on the correct usage of 'moreover' - your incorrect use of it suggests you are trying to sound cleverer than you actually are!

TwoShades1 · 02/12/2024 09:33

Nice songs?!! Books?!! Sitting on carpet!!!!!! She should be fired immediately. Jokes. She sounds fine and quite nice. There is nothing wrong with singing at any age and certainly nothing wrong with books.

VickyEadieofThigh · 02/12/2024 09:40

Someonehelpmeagain · 01/12/2024 22:25

I didn't say it was harming anyone, more that I expected a teacher to not be singing to 8 year old. I would of thought an experienced teacher would have more age appropriate strategies.

I would HAVE thought that a university lecturer would know that it's 'would have', not "would of", but here we are.

And no, I don't usually criticise the English of posters on Mumsnet - but when you're finding fault with a primary teacher for running what sounds like a lovely classroom, you're fair game.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 02/12/2024 09:43

My kids had a teacher in year six who was the school music and arts lead
They used to sing the register and all sorts
Obviously they are all now illiterate delinquents entirely due to this shoddy behaviour 🙄
Anyone who uses should of or could of and claims to be a university lecturer is far more of a worry to be honest

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/12/2024 09:43

Arseynal · 01/12/2024 23:37

YANBU OP. There is a checkout operator in my Lidl who sings incessantly and although he’s actually very nice and helpful it is behaviour that should have been nipped in the bud at six, and he’s 30 if he’s a day. Singing is for toddlers and babies. Not adults and certainly not big boys and girls of 7. Especially during the working day when they should either be working quietly at their desks or engaged in the Teams meetings. Idk what book advent is but there is no need for books for children of 7 years old. They have done their phonics so why are they doing an activity with books??

What an utterly ridiculous thing to say, @Arseynal!

If only children get to sing, you can kiss goodbye to almost all pop music, choral music, opera, musicals, karaoke etc - not to mention denying many, many people the joy and fulfilment that comes from singing in a group/choir.

Singing in a setting such as the checkout at Lidl is probably not appropriate (though I doubt it harms anyone) - but to use that as evidence that no adult should sing is just madness.