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Do you love the UK?

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Annabella92 · 29/11/2024 17:24

Or Britain? Or England, or Wales, or Scotland, or NI, or Spain, or the US, or Canada, or Ghana, or Greece or wherever you hail from. Do you love it? What do you love about it? AIBU to wonder if any of it is real?

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SallyWD · 30/11/2024 08:22

iwishihadaname · 29/11/2024 18:01

Not anymore as so many people here think my family members are not British and should not be here.

I'm so sorry you feel like that. I'm sick of these growing attitudes.

Auburngal · 30/11/2024 09:23

Another thing I hate about the UK - so many money laundering businesses. Many barbers, nail bars, mobile phone accessories shops, American candy shops - open for a few months, close down for 3 months. Spend 3 months doing up the unit. Open for a few months. Repeat.

Govt or councils don’t do anything to stop this as I bet very little goes into their coffers via rates, VAT etc

Newgirls · 30/11/2024 09:31

I love the arts here. The music. The architecture. The food diversity. University cities. The coastline. Some amazing people. There are things I don’t like (run down town centres, health inequality, the drinking culture, etc) but more good than bad.

taxguru · 30/11/2024 09:54

Auburngal · 30/11/2024 09:23

Another thing I hate about the UK - so many money laundering businesses. Many barbers, nail bars, mobile phone accessories shops, American candy shops - open for a few months, close down for 3 months. Spend 3 months doing up the unit. Open for a few months. Repeat.

Govt or councils don’t do anything to stop this as I bet very little goes into their coffers via rates, VAT etc

I agree, government have clearly instructed the authorities to turn a blind eye as it’s everywhere and so obvious. I can’t believe councils, HMRC and police genuinely don’t know it’s happening, so it must be sanctioned. Like the dodgy hand car washes. And the authorities ignoring open drug dealing in the streets. Same with the billions of tax evasion and benefit fraud in the black economy - no one in authority cares enough to try to reduce it. It’s turning the uk into a kind of lawless banana republic.

Annabella92 · 30/11/2024 09:59

gamerchick · 30/11/2024 07:14

Journos aren't?

What do you mean by is it real? I'm imagining a matrix type scenario here.

By real I mean.. it's hard to explain so I thought I'd let people interpret it their way. But I suppose what I had in mind sort of is a bit Matrixy. I'm British, and have an idea of what that means in my head - that we collectively can be distinguished from other people from other nations based on particular mores and ideals and attitudes and quirks and other characteristics which kind of bind us, and would make an Italian (although welcome) feel slightly like a fish out of water, likewise if I was Italian, I would feel like I wasn't 'home' despite having a wonderful time. I think that might have been true once. Even between the various nations within the UK, and even between regions within these. But I'm not sure that's the case anymore. And if it is, or if I felt like it might be - that it's not real, it's just an echo of something that's no longer there. I'm not sure if that makes sense. I guess I wanted to know, if someone loves a nation they belong to - what is it they love that isn't just the same everywhere else?

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Hoppinggreen · 30/11/2024 10:00

I kind of do love The UK. My job means that I have to help people who move here from all over the world and I get to see it through their eyes which gives a slightly different perspective.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 30/11/2024 10:00

I do, at least partly because I’ve lived in countries with zero democratic rights, and no seasons except for hot and stinking bloody hot. I enjoyed my time in those, but wanting to stay there for good, absolutely no way.

How2024 · 30/11/2024 10:18

I don’t love or not love it, but I am half English half from another place, and grew up in a third country. English is my mother tongue.

I’ve now lived in London for 28 years and like the fact that I can blend in as so many people are also from somewhere else.

I do think that years of austerity and Brexit, as well as wealth inequality, the cost of living crisis, and diminished policing mean that things are much harder for huge swathes of people.

One of my dc wants to start his career in another country with a better quality of life, and I don’t blame him.

In terms of love I probably love my mother’s country more. Objectively it is a harder place than the UK to live in (and I appreciate the ease of so many things in the UK including bureaucracy and the availability of jobs), but it is stunningly beautiful and the language a joy to speak and listen to. There I am (sadly) considered a foreigner however, while in England I can masquerade as an English person.

I grew up feeling that I belonged nowhere so I am grateful for this…

Southwestten · 30/11/2024 10:23

In terms of love I probably love my mother’s country more. Objectively it is a harder place than the UK to live in (and I appreciate the ease of so many things in the UK including bureaucracy and the availability of jobs), but it is stunningly beautiful and the language a joy to speak and listen to. There I am (sadly) considered a foreigner however, while in England I can masquerade as an English person.

@How2024 which country is this?

SallyWD · 30/11/2024 10:24

Tukmgru · 29/11/2024 19:38

I did when it was on a progressive, European path. Has felt very downhill since about 2010, and then terminal since 2016. How did such an open, successful country turn into this isolationist, petty, spiteful seeming place. We lose relevance on the world stage every day, and I can’t see us getting it back the way we’re currently set up.

There's much I love about the UK and much I'm thankful for but I agree with this too.

Auburngal · 30/11/2024 10:40

taxguru · 30/11/2024 09:54

I agree, government have clearly instructed the authorities to turn a blind eye as it’s everywhere and so obvious. I can’t believe councils, HMRC and police genuinely don’t know it’s happening, so it must be sanctioned. Like the dodgy hand car washes. And the authorities ignoring open drug dealing in the streets. Same with the billions of tax evasion and benefit fraud in the black economy - no one in authority cares enough to try to reduce it. It’s turning the uk into a kind of lawless banana republic.

Hand car washes too. How could I forget. Something very fishy going on when I see about 20 men at these. Some I drive past and there's no customers. Same goes with the barbers. Someone said on FB, if you went to a different barbers every 3 weeks where I live and the next neighbouring town, for a year, there would be still 5-6 barbers you haven't been to. That's a joint population of 45k

CrushOnEminem · 30/11/2024 11:03

I'm not from the UK. I like to visit but have absolutely zero desire to live there. I love the country I'm from & have an excellent quality of life here. We travel a lot & have plans to spend time living in another European city in the next couple of years. We're actively putting plans in place now.

But we'll keep our house here too so we can come back when we want to.

beetr00 · 30/11/2024 11:05

Annabella92 · 29/11/2024 20:03

No, I'm a real person

journos are real people too 🙂

edited to correct "are"

bridgetreilly · 30/11/2024 11:14

I love England, specifically. I like the rest of the UK but England is home for me. I love the climate, with no crazy extremes. I love living somewhere where days grow long in the summer, and nights draw in in the winter. I love the landscape of gently rolling hills, that keep you safe, rather than dramatic mountains full of danger. I like that there are seashores never too far away. I love our lengthy history, filling places with meaning and memories. I love warm, comforting stodgy dinners with proper gravy and proper custard. I love it here.

MissBattleaxe · 30/11/2024 11:16

5128gap · 29/11/2024 18:03

Yup. I love the soft light and the temperate climate. The castles, the quirky streets, the greeness, the fact that wherever you are you're not far from coast, countryside or city. The music, films and comedy. The diversity. Some of the most stunning scenery I've seen anywhere in the world. That compared to much of the world, it feels safe and free. That every single person I know and love is here and that they could move as far away as possible within the country, and still be pretty close. I moan with the best of them about cost of living, poor services, rain, the housing crisis and (worst thing) the terrible wealth inequality that hurts so many people. But I still believe that to live here makes me very fortunate indeed.

Beautifully put. I totally agree.

greengreyblue · 30/11/2024 12:53

MissBattleaxe · 30/11/2024 11:16

Beautifully put. I totally agree.

Agree. Every country has its issues. I have family who live abroad and they moan about their governments and social issues. Australia included. Nowhere is perfect. Sweden sounds lovely but I don’t want 24 hr darkness in winter.

Simonjt · 30/11/2024 12:57

“Sweden sounds lovely but I don’t want 24 hr darkness in winter”

Have you ever actually been to Sweden in winter? On the winter solstice we’ll have 47 fewer minutes of sunlight than we did in London.

wizzywig · 30/11/2024 12:58

As an ethnic minority female with disabled kids I'm very glad to live here

Purplecatshopaholic · 30/11/2024 13:18

Wbeezer · 29/11/2024 18:05

I think countries are like families, you can love them without thinking they are perfect. I'm Scottish and I love my country but there are definitely things about it I don't like!

Defo this. I love our Scottish scenery, and our beautiful capital city (ok, I’m biased being from there). We have areas we can improve on too, lol (our weather for one..)

TankFlyBossW4lk · 30/11/2024 13:40

I love the UK for it's tolerance, diversity and pragmatism. I adore London and I feel so much a part of the fabric of the place. I was born, brought up and educated here. I have lived in and served the population where I grew up.

It breaks my heart to see the jingoistic nationalism that has been whipped up by the Tories. I despise the Rees Mogg types with their fake love of the UK. They only love money, and they'll have it in any currency.

beetr00 · 30/11/2024 13:53

greengreyblue · 30/11/2024 12:53

Agree. Every country has its issues. I have family who live abroad and they moan about their governments and social issues. Australia included. Nowhere is perfect. Sweden sounds lovely but I don’t want 24 hr darkness in winter.

https://www.worlddata.info/climate-comparison.php?r1=sweden&r2=united-kingdom

think you may be misinformed?@greengreyblue

maybe Norway?

Dappy777 · 30/11/2024 14:22

Annabella92 · 30/11/2024 09:59

By real I mean.. it's hard to explain so I thought I'd let people interpret it their way. But I suppose what I had in mind sort of is a bit Matrixy. I'm British, and have an idea of what that means in my head - that we collectively can be distinguished from other people from other nations based on particular mores and ideals and attitudes and quirks and other characteristics which kind of bind us, and would make an Italian (although welcome) feel slightly like a fish out of water, likewise if I was Italian, I would feel like I wasn't 'home' despite having a wonderful time. I think that might have been true once. Even between the various nations within the UK, and even between regions within these. But I'm not sure that's the case anymore. And if it is, or if I felt like it might be - that it's not real, it's just an echo of something that's no longer there. I'm not sure if that makes sense. I guess I wanted to know, if someone loves a nation they belong to - what is it they love that isn't just the same everywhere else?

I can only speak for myself. Maybe it's because most of my ancestors were British, but I do feel deeply rooted here. I notice it when I watch foreign films or read foreign novels. It brings home to me the fact that I'm English-British. It isn't a question of loving or hating Britain. It's just what I am. Even if I decided to be a 'citizen of the world' and ditch the whole idea of national identity, that identity wouldn't ditch me. I don't have a choice. I can't escape.

When I watch The Godfather, for example, I'm very conscious that this isn't my culture. I not an Italian-American. I feel the same when I watch a Woody Allen film. Again, I'm not a Jewish-American, and this isn't my culture. I feel it even more keenly when it comes to literature. Take Wordsworth as an example. He couldn't have written those poems had he grown up in the tropics or the Australian outback. He might have written something just as good, but the feel or atmosphere or tone would have been different. His poetry is rooted the cool, damp, green landscape of a northern European island, as is the poetry of Chaucer, Shakespeare, Keats, Blake, Tennyson, Browning, Ted Hughes, Larkin – even T. S. Eliot. The same is true of so much British literature. When I read Jane Austen, Dickens, George Orwell, P. G. Wodehouse, Thomas Hardy, etc, I feel the same warm glow of recognition. They are my writers, and they're writing about my land and my culture. More than anything, a culture is defined by its writers. And Britain is there in its literature – the rain, the humour, the irony, the wet sundays, the wars, the class system...the whole thing.

User14March · 30/11/2024 14:26

@StrawberryDream24 whilst this isn’t a good statistic most do get seen fast & good treatment.

Auburngal · 30/11/2024 15:03

The idea of building loads of new homes and you need a car to go to your nearest shop. Plus I have seen newbuilds where there is no pavement between the estate and village.

Annabella92 · 30/11/2024 15:39

Dappy777 · 30/11/2024 14:22

I can only speak for myself. Maybe it's because most of my ancestors were British, but I do feel deeply rooted here. I notice it when I watch foreign films or read foreign novels. It brings home to me the fact that I'm English-British. It isn't a question of loving or hating Britain. It's just what I am. Even if I decided to be a 'citizen of the world' and ditch the whole idea of national identity, that identity wouldn't ditch me. I don't have a choice. I can't escape.

When I watch The Godfather, for example, I'm very conscious that this isn't my culture. I not an Italian-American. I feel the same when I watch a Woody Allen film. Again, I'm not a Jewish-American, and this isn't my culture. I feel it even more keenly when it comes to literature. Take Wordsworth as an example. He couldn't have written those poems had he grown up in the tropics or the Australian outback. He might have written something just as good, but the feel or atmosphere or tone would have been different. His poetry is rooted the cool, damp, green landscape of a northern European island, as is the poetry of Chaucer, Shakespeare, Keats, Blake, Tennyson, Browning, Ted Hughes, Larkin – even T. S. Eliot. The same is true of so much British literature. When I read Jane Austen, Dickens, George Orwell, P. G. Wodehouse, Thomas Hardy, etc, I feel the same warm glow of recognition. They are my writers, and they're writing about my land and my culture. More than anything, a culture is defined by its writers. And Britain is there in its literature – the rain, the humour, the irony, the wet sundays, the wars, the class system...the whole thing.

I love this

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