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To be shocked at the net migration figures currently being discussed

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Feelingathomenow · 28/11/2024 11:06

Yesterday’s figures discussed by the Tories stated that since 2010 the net migration figures to the UK has equalled the size of the population of Wales. Today we were told the figures to June 2023 showed a net migration figure of nearly 1 million for that year, for the year to June 2024 this had reduced to a mere 3/4 of a million. The numbers coming in of the boats per year alone is equal to a large town. AIBU to think this has to stop. We need to immediately crack down on people allowed into this country- limit it to urgently needed highly skilled jobs and start offshore processing (or similar) of the people who are here illegally (basically like many other countries).

We just can’t cope with those numbers. - no wonder our infrastructure is collapsing, we have a housing crisis etc.

I want to hear from the government how they are going to tackle it. We have heard from the Tories now it is over to Starmer.

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AussieKoala · 28/11/2024 23:16

TheDisgustingBrothers · 28/11/2024 22:43

You can be a legal migrant and still be a net taker. What don’t you understand about that?

of course there are exceptions and plenty of wonderful migrants who are a) here legally and b) contribute to our society.

there are also migrants who are a) here legally and b) do NOT contribute to our society. These are net takers and there are a lot of them. Why should the UK open up to all of these people?

Agreed. Many of the care workers are from Nigeria, India and Pakistan. Typically with larger than average families and on one/one and a half incomes due to child care constraints.
They don't pay the NHS surcharge that other skilled workers have to (which is a major reason why they choose to work in care, along with the ease of visa sponsorship) and they pay comparatively little income tax. When you factor in the cost to the state of their children's education and other services, many are effectively net negative contributors even though they do a job that many Brits might not want to.

Papyrophile · 28/11/2024 23:41

The Spanish probably detest the drunken Brits - and who can blame them?.

You clearly have not spent a Saturday night in Santander... the locals were still playing bagpipes (badly) at 8:00 am on Sunday morning. The Spanish in northern Spain seem to know how to party as fervently as their British equivalents. BUT, the street cleaning parties are much more efficient, so the evidence is removed quickly.

gloriagloria · 28/11/2024 23:47

In 2023 350000 health and social care visas were granted. Yet we still have 10% vacancies in adult social care and about the same in the NHS. How realistically are we going to manage this shortfall. And for those saying “pay more” what amount do you think UK people would do these jobs for? DD works in a very large care setting and at 18 years with no experience earns £22,000 (which would increase quite rapidly if she stayed) for a term time only job with subsidised accommodation. Yet they have to actively recruit overseas. There are no other school leavers despite great training and prospects and the only other uk workers are mothers attracted by term only who often can’t work unsocial hours /so can only take on certain roles.

AussieKoala · 28/11/2024 23:51

MoMhathair · 28/11/2024 13:27

If we get as much people as we can now and ride out the pain of managing it, we will benefit later on. Population across the western world is collapsing. We can't make people unwelcome now and then beg them to come later on - it won't work.

This won't work. The vast majority of immigrants working in occupations like social care have no plans to remain there long term. Most have used the care visa route as a means to the end of achieving UK permanent residence and citizenship. Boris's government made the care visa route so cheap and easy to get into and this is where literally hundreds of thousands of immigrants have come from in the last few years. Many even paid thousands of pounds to sham care agencies to purchase visa sponsorships for care jobs that didn't exist- just as a way to enter the UK. This is one of the reasons the vacancies never seemed to go down even when the numbers of immigrants were climbing higher. It was a right racket until the last government got wind and started to clamp down on the abuse.

The majority of immigrants from the likes of Nigeria for example, are just counting down the 5 years until they get their permanent residence and then they will abandon the care, construction etc sectors. And the UK will be back to square one - what next? Import another 900k plus immigrants for the next 5 years? The current model is not sustainable.

Littlemissgobby · 28/11/2024 23:57

gloriagloria · 28/11/2024 23:47

In 2023 350000 health and social care visas were granted. Yet we still have 10% vacancies in adult social care and about the same in the NHS. How realistically are we going to manage this shortfall. And for those saying “pay more” what amount do you think UK people would do these jobs for? DD works in a very large care setting and at 18 years with no experience earns £22,000 (which would increase quite rapidly if she stayed) for a term time only job with subsidised accommodation. Yet they have to actively recruit overseas. There are no other school leavers despite great training and prospects and the only other uk workers are mothers attracted by term only who often can’t work unsocial hours /so can only take on certain roles.

As somebody that has had care people come to their house for the last few years what I have established with the British people is that many of them do not have childcare many occasions where they could’ve come and helped if the children was allowed to sit on the sofa on their iPads but health and safety says that’s not allowed.
I would suggest if we want people to be working in this country we need to make childcare more affordable that is the biggest thing for these mums Just can’t do the They want to do and what you find is the ladies that are over here that have come from other countries either have children in other countries still or they have the children over here but they’ve got partners and families that are helping them.that were bought over to. Many carers that have been English that I had were single mums

Duc · 29/11/2024 00:28

I agree OP. It’s messed up. The governments (and I mean all of them in the last 25 years or so!) have fucked over the average Brit with the decisions they’ve made.

The standard of living now certainly isn’t better than my parents generation. It’ll be even worse for our kids.

House prices are beyond ridiculous

Harder to find rental accommodation- only 1 rental property for 10 people fighting for it.

NHS waiting lists months long at least

You’re lucky if you can get a GP appointment

NHS dentists don’t really exist anymore

The infrastructure can’t cope with the amount of folk here already thanks to no where near enough houses being built for decades!

Firdbeeder · 29/11/2024 01:28

quoque · 28/11/2024 15:50

Why not? They want jobs. They can train, just like British people can. They are economic migrants, and if they identify a big area of employment that needs workers I promise they will train to do it.

You promise that men from completely incompatible cultures will train to provide safe intimate care to elderly and vulnerable Brits?
It’s no wonder the birth rate is dropping is it, this is the kind of drivel we have to endure from our peers. Why would I want to bring kids into a country where we’re so reluctant to preserve our own privilege and safety? As this thread has stated, the world isn’t exactly full of safe countries but we seem intent on destroying ours. To be ‘nice’.

majesticallyopposite · 29/11/2024 03:43

1dayatatime · 28/11/2024 21:30

@majesticallyopposite

"There are racist comments on this thread though. Denying that there is ever a racist element doesn't help anymore than calling everyone who wants controls racist."

I agree and would wholeheartedly support you in criticising the racist comments on this thread.

Please could you give me some examples of the racist posts on this thread as I haven't seen any.

How can you possibly argue that a statement that it's a problem if a child is the only white kid in a class isn't racist?

Ytcsghisn · 29/11/2024 04:06

The naivety on pro mass immigration side of the debate is so staggering. It’s like these people came down in the last shower. Maybe they genuinely live sheltered lives and have no idea what goes outside their own bubble.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and all are genuine refugees.
Are you for real? The vast majority are economic migrants, and there is an industry around them to make them into asylum seekers at taxpayers expense like government funded lawyers, accommodation providers and corrupt civil servants who make a living out of high illegal immigration. The asylum seekers, as soon as they get permanent resident go off on holidays back to their ‘unsafe’ countries. You can’t blame them for playing the system, any economic migrants from poor countries would do the same if you are a mug enough to let them.

Let the asylum seekers fill care sector jobs.
And you think they are here to work in care jobs? No, they work cash in hand jobs, not paying tax.

Another one that you used to hear was that those coming on the boats are doctors and nurses, just because there might have been one solitary doctor once, all of a sudden every doctor and nurse was on a boat headed to Britain. You don’t hear that nonsense as much now.

Immigration is good for the economy.
Total lie that has been debunked. Immigrants are net takers from the system, and immigration is making the country poorer. They are also over represented in welfare and social housing numbers. We are literally importing people to be dependent on the state. Like we don’t have enough people here already who are dependent on the state. Immigrants also tend to have much larger families and dependents including the elderly. Basically a pyramid scheme. To fill the care job, we need to bring in more people who need care and services, and more people to do the same, and on it goes.

Anti mass migration people are racist.
Some of the most vehement opponents of mass migration are second generation immigrants, that’s why they are over represented in the politics. It’s strange how the anti-racists are actually racist to these people because they don’t think mass migration is a good thing. Being called names such as coconut by those ‘anti-racists’.

If we don’t have millions of low skilled immigrants, who will do the care jobs. The local 6 million or so people who are literally being paid to sit at home by the ever shrinking net contributor population. Strange what happens when people don’t get freebies, they get working.

What will the universities do if we don’t have student visas as a back door to low skilled immigration. And yes it is low skilled. Coming in to do a pointless degree as a way to staying in the country is of no benefit to the UK.
Well, how about stop subsidizing Mickey Mouse degrees for the indigenous population. We don’t need to churn out mediocre graduates on pointless degrees at subsidized cost. And if they are so desperate to study these useless courses, they can pay full whack. The whole thing is a Ponzi scheme. Selling student visas to subsidize universities and universities turn subsidize low value degrees.

Britain was built on immigration. No it wasn’t. No more than any other country with minor amount of movement. Mass immigration is a thing that only really started in the last 25 years, as Britain actually becomes poorer and overtaken by other countries in economic prosperity.

Immigration is linked to climate change.
This new gem is trotted out when every other argument fails.
No, it’s not. It linked to uncontrolled open borders. But then again, if the people making argument have an ingrown toenail, they also blame that on climate change.

Immigration is a net drain on society and the economy. Some people are starting wise up to it.

Simonjt · 29/11/2024 05:54

RandomUserStuff · 28/11/2024 22:58

Not sure if this makes anyone feel better but may I point out that us immigrants also steal do highly skilled jobs? NHS consultants, academia, IT, investment banking, investors, etc. 🙂

Yep! We both stole jobs in the financial sector, due the amount of racism and lack of drive or wish to achieve in the UK we took our net contributor level wages elsewhere.

Simonjt · 29/11/2024 06:01

Craftymam · 28/11/2024 22:06

This is entirely untrue.

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Here are some statistics on benefits in the UK by ethnicity:
State support
In 2021, white British families were most likely to receive state support, while Chinese families were least likely. White British families were most likely to receive non-income related benefits, such as the State Pension, while families from Bangladeshi and black ethnic groups were most likely to receive income-related benefits, such as help with housing costs.

Persistent low income
Among children, those in black and Asian households were most likely to be in persistent low income. Among working-age adults, those in black, mixed, and Asian households were most likely to be in persistent low income. Among pensioners, those in black households were most likely to be in persistent low income.

Unemployment
In 2022, white people had the lowest unemployment rate at 3%, while people from all other ethnic groups combined had a rate of 6%. People from the Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Asian "other", and black ethnic groups had the highest unemployment rates.

Income-related benefits
In 2015–2018, 29% of families with a head of household who was black/African black/Caribbean or British black received income-related benefits.

Nothing about place of birth in any of the above.

RingoJuice · 29/11/2024 06:32

Britain was built on immigration

Idk how British people can accept such obvious lies.

inamarina · 29/11/2024 07:11

alienpilotingaboeing · 28/11/2024 17:38

Also 'what about Brits in Magaluf' - that is also bad, and if the Spanish government wanted to stop immigration from the UK, that would be their prerogative!

Another one is „what we’re seeing right now is nothing compared to what‘s about to happen due to climate change“.

Letsbe · 29/11/2024 07:11

I would prefer to be cared for by people who were not forced to do the job but had some geniune interest and commitment to it.

inamarina · 29/11/2024 07:13

ForRealTurtle · 28/11/2024 17:50

@Cockwomblers you are claiming certain brown men are a threat to British women.
When in Britain rape by British men is effectively decriminalised and domestic violence is common.
Its an old racist trop. British women (usually meaning white women) at risk from these black or brown foreign men, whilst the risk from British men is ignored or minimised.

Why are you making it about skin colour? Where did pp say „certain brown men“?

2littleonesx · 29/11/2024 07:20

Why are people instantly racist for having an opinion on ILLEGAL immigrants?
When we arrive back in the UK from holiday we have to go through passport control, same with immigrants coming here legally.
Why do we want boats filled with men coming here with no information on who they are. Everyone I know feels the same, true asylum seekers of course, but ILLEGAL immigrants coming here on boats - NO.
For the most part they are not women and children and men coming here for safety. They are boats filled with grown men.
I wonder all these people that a pro immigration of the boats etc would have these grown men live in their house? If you are that for it have them live with you and then come back with your opinion. It's very easy to sit in your nice houses in nice areas and have an opinion because it simply does affect you.

OctoberOctopus · 29/11/2024 07:25

Firdbeeder · 29/11/2024 01:28

You promise that men from completely incompatible cultures will train to provide safe intimate care to elderly and vulnerable Brits?
It’s no wonder the birth rate is dropping is it, this is the kind of drivel we have to endure from our peers. Why would I want to bring kids into a country where we’re so reluctant to preserve our own privilege and safety? As this thread has stated, the world isn’t exactly full of safe countries but we seem intent on destroying ours. To be ‘nice’.

Indeed.

We are intent on destruction of what we have to be nice.

Feelingathomenow · 29/11/2024 07:30

RingoJuice · 29/11/2024 06:32

Britain was built on immigration

Idk how British people can accept such obvious lies.

The ones with an ounce of intelligence and knowledge of history don’t.

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bluewanda · 29/11/2024 07:38

To those complaining about small boats: in 2023, just under 30,000 people arrived in Britain via small boat. That’s 3% of the 906,000 total.

OonaStubbs · 29/11/2024 07:42

Does anyone disagree with the fact that we cannot keep increasing the population indefinitely? And if you accept that, at what point do we say enough is enough and allow the population to decline to it's natural level?

bluewanda · 29/11/2024 07:44

TENSsion · 28/11/2024 21:59

“At the moment population density in the UK is half that of the Netherlands, where people have a very good quality of life.”

You might want to look at who Netherlands just voted into power…

Ha ha… quite.

TENSsion · 29/11/2024 07:45

I haven’t seen this.

I’ve seen the post about a child being the only native English speaker in the class. Which is obviously a problem. I worked in a primary school where there were 11 native English speaking children out of around 190. It was catastrophic to their language development.

TENSsion · 29/11/2024 07:46

majesticallyopposite · 29/11/2024 03:43

How can you possibly argue that a statement that it's a problem if a child is the only white kid in a class isn't racist?

Sorry. My last post was in reply to this

EasternStandard · 29/11/2024 07:48

bluewanda · 29/11/2024 07:38

To those complaining about small boats: in 2023, just under 30,000 people arrived in Britain via small boat. That’s 3% of the 906,000 total.

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Are you ok with the organisations profiting and the deaths that occur?

Plus what's the cost of this, for the whole system - here and providing money o/s

Feelingathomenow · 29/11/2024 07:49

Littlemissgobby · 28/11/2024 23:57

As somebody that has had care people come to their house for the last few years what I have established with the British people is that many of them do not have childcare many occasions where they could’ve come and helped if the children was allowed to sit on the sofa on their iPads but health and safety says that’s not allowed.
I would suggest if we want people to be working in this country we need to make childcare more affordable that is the biggest thing for these mums Just can’t do the They want to do and what you find is the ladies that are over here that have come from other countries either have children in other countries still or they have the children over here but they’ve got partners and families that are helping them.that were bought over to. Many carers that have been English that I had were single mums

Absolutely to the affordable childcare to enable more parents to get back into work

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