Did anybody see the Panaroma about binge drinking last night?

[Orangelight23]

Real eye opener for me. Women in their 30s being diagnosed with liver disease. I must admit I have myself been drawn into wine culture and drinking wine to relax.

It's made me have a real think about my alcohol intake to be honest.

It’s not the law though. People, including women can drink as much as they wish. I guess they are saying that there is no completely safe level of alcohol when pregnant, and just making women aware in case they have unexpected pregnancies.

I would rather people had access to all the facts, and then are left to make their own choices. It is women who carry babies, so unfortunately they have more advice directed at them.

Two breast that spread, one throughout her body by the time it was caught. All heavy, social drinkers. All in their 40s when they left us.

Yes it needs to be reclassified as a class A drug. Didn’t the government sack Professor Nutt because he wanted to do this.

Some posters have said up thread that the public just need to be educated about alcohol. Who will educate us? Not the government.

I dont remember being educated about alcohol in school in the 80’s, I don’t know whether this is being done now.

@Garlicpest how was your mental health drinking 3 bottles of wine a day?

I was having a breakdown 😂

Well done you for giving it up. Hope you are feeling better now 👍

It’s considered absolutely normal now by lots of people. I’m a Psychologist and have been seeing people (mostly, though not all, women when it’s wine) who believe it’s quite normal and reasonable. They tell me their friends do too. Some years ago a long standing, pretty conservative (with a small c) Secretary in her late 40s became quite indignant when typing a report for me, in which I commented to a GP that a woman I had just seen was drinking dysfunctionally and was consuming a full bottle of wine each evening. My very sensible Secretary challenged me, saying ‘I drink a bottle of wine every evening. That’s normal’. I simply acknowledged what she said and we both said no more about it - she wasn’t my patient and had read my opinion, so it would have been inappropriate for me to address it further with her.

Well done for giving up. I’m 10 months sober, my depression has lifted and I’m off my medication, I didn’t fully appreciate how much booze was holding me back until I gave up.

Absolutely! And the general public really don’t want to hear that alcohol is one of the most dangerous available. Cannabis, MDMA (E) and Magic mushrooms are all very safe, especially when compared with alcohol.

An earlier poster said that younger people don’t tend to drink alcohol, but “do drugs” instead. Alcohol is a dangerous drug and much more toxic that the most commonly used illegal recreational drugs.

No weight dropped off me when I gave up drinking in my 40s, 59 now, I am heavier now that I don’t drink, in fact I was a size 14 when I drank as I didn’t eat properly.

My friend will say, ( she drinks most nights) “well you know me”, “I never take a paracetamol”, ( dig at my pain meds), after hearing it one to many times, I’ll respond, well I wouldn’t dream tanking a bottle of wine every night😩

So true😔

I had one of those scans on the NHS, in 2018.I was worried for two reasons as I drank a lot 20/30s, had hep A ? Liver specialist said most adults will have had it at some time in their lives as it’s water/ food borne- & no sign of it now.. scan was all good- no hardening of the liver ( but no mention of fatty liver! ( which is mentioned in my Gp notes from 2010 saw that in my Gp records in September 24..(I didn’t know). Had another ultrasound this summer for gallstones & he told me I have fatty liver: fat around the organs😩 so does it come & go, or has it been there all this time & Gp just hasn’t thought to mention it?

Half of the country must be walking around with silent liver disease

With some nice cheese & crackers😊

Can I find it on YouTube?

Have read this thread with interest.
As a health practitioner that works closely with people who have many health issues I can honestly say that the few people I have met with liver failure are hard core 100+ units a week.

One thing is clear: people really have very little grasp of statistics, evidence, risk or even reality when it comes to defending their drink habit.

Hopefully this works for you:

https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/what-alcohol-does-to-your-body-brain-health

I've never drunk to excess or been binge drinking in my life and have been tee total for over a decade. I still got liver disease last year. It's not always caused by booze.

The older women drinkers I know either eat very very little and over exercise or are on Slimming World so they can drink.
Huffing and tutting if others so much as glance at an avocado, sinning everything and going on and on about SW.
They drink an awful lot but that's after weighing day.

Pretty sure it will be injections soon and SW will go under

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50% of people develop cancer during their life times yet this paper suggests that something like 4& of cancers can attributable to alcochol. Alcohol is a factor in increasing the chances of getting cancer but to finally state alcohol causes cancer in quite a binary fashion I don't think is entirely factually accurate. The research here claims drinking can in the chances of getting head and neck cancer of up to 5% and I assume this is a lifetime risk. 1 in 20 is not low but it's not high either.

This paper shows a negligible increase in cancers for moderate drinkers

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5912140/

Those saying it's only 100 units plus drinkers who get liver disease -there are stages and it's silent until its too late
It's often discovered via another medical procedure, pre op bloods or something else like chemotherapy puts a strain on the liver or their LFTs are deranged and they can't have treatment for another disease as a result
My friend was fine until she wasn't and had a massive GI bleed, her liver had failed and she died. Zero idea she had an issue

The woman in the documentary was tallking about drinking 6 glasses of wine on a night out .
That's18- 21 units in one day -2/3 nights a week ? and she was straining her liver massively
She was very slight build and probably on top took painkillers to deal with the hangover
Do that for a few years and you can see how it happens

Except for Breast and Colon cancers!

https://breastcancernow.org/about-breast-cancer/awareness/breast-cancer-risk-factors-and-causes/alcohol-and-breast-cancer-risk/#:~:text=2.,be%20linked%20to%20drinking%20alcohol.&text=The%20more%20alcohol%20you%20drink%2C%20the%20greater%20the%20risk.

about 8 out of 100 of breast cancer are caused by alcohol allegedly so you have to ask what is causing the other 92% we won't worry aboit? The point is I think we acknowledge increased risk in the context of other rosk. For example alcohol consumption is th third biggest contributor y factor in contracting cancer (environmwntal) smoking and obesity are larger.

we have to therefore have an open debate about risk that includes educating about absolute and relative risk.