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Jeremy Clarkson is damaging farmers

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Pippyls67 · 26/11/2024 11:17

He should butt out of the inheritance tax debacle. As Victoria Derbyshire reminded him during the London protests, he admitted in news print, when he bought his farm it was to dodge inheritance tax. Now he’s jumping in the back of farmers who probably won’t in actual fact pay very much ( smaller farms than his) for his own mercenary agenda. Farmers need to distance themselves from him and ban him from public events. He’s muddying their message and making them look bad by association. Ps I understand farmers need their farms intact to pass on but tbh we all need to pass on our wealth. I run a business and it’ll be screwed by inheritance tax to some extent. I don’t like it but you have to get on with it. That’s just the way of things isn’t it. Gotta pay for the NHS, schools and essential services from somewhere. Farms will need to sell assets I get it. Yes the largest farms will shrink in size but you just have to diversify to make up the difference if you want the same level of income. That’s what we do in business. Also it will make (potentially) land available for incomers to the industry. Lack of new blood and chances to enter farming have been an issue for many years. This is partly a consequence of even the largest farms being ‘handed down’ intact.

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luckylavender · 26/11/2024 15:53

@derxa - because Clarkson never has a sneering tone?! He's one of these people who can give it but can't take it. Repulsive individual.

derxa · 26/11/2024 15:53

bombastix · 26/11/2024 15:51

Maybe. But in what passes for the progressive press in the U.K. which is read and influences Labour people you had Clarkson, Farage, Badenoch, and attacks on the BBC. These are all things unlikely to be popular with this government and yet both sections of the press jumped on them as the story. The Telegraph and the Guardian both had stories about Clarkson becoming a farming politician. it gets reductive very fast. Presenting it as a cultural battle from the outset was a mistake.

Let’s all give up then. I don’t why you’re so invested in this.

BarbadosItsCloserThanYouThink · 26/11/2024 15:55

He has raised the profile of farmers and their issues more than anyone has in years. He has people that didn't give farmers a second thought talking about farmers. I agree his reasons for buying it and the comment surrounding inheritance tax doesn't make people sympathetic towards him. He is however a loud and famous voice that is getting farmers attention, and his program has educated those of us who had no clue just how hard farming can be.

skyeisthelimit · 26/11/2024 15:56

notanothernamechange24 · 26/11/2024 13:25

Decided to write a post to kind of myth bust a lot of what is being said around the agricultural Inheritance Tax issue. Because this issue is important to EVERYONE and will affect all of us.
It’s going to be a long post but please read it in full.

What has changed?
So with the budget the government has removed both APR relief and BPR relief from all businesses.
APR = Agricultural Property Relief - this covers the land, the buildings and the farmhouse.
BPR = Business Property Relief - this covers the machinery, equipment, livestock, consumables such as seed and fertiliser and crop in the ground.
Now the first million of combined assets from both APR and BPR is IHT free and anything over 1 million is taxed at 20%.
Under certain conditions it MIGHT be possible for SOME farms to get up to 3 million tax free. But that doesn't work for all. It’s a case of if your circumstances meet the exact criteria your ok if not you won’t get the full 3 million.

When the government talk about 500 farms per year being affected they are only talking about the APR proportion of the tax. They have deliberately excluded talking about the fact that BPR is also included and taxed.

The NFU are saying that 75% of family farms will be affected.

• it will also include a significant number of tenant farmers as they still will be affected by BPR.
BPR will also affect a number of other industries as well.
Haulage firms, Contractors and any businesses with high asset values comparative to income will be badly affected.

At the same time subsidies are being cut by 70% in some cases
Tax on fertiliser is going up by £50 per ton.
Tax on domestic vehicles is going up over 200%
NI for employers is going up.

Why shouldn't farmers pay tax like every other business?
Because quite simply farming doesn't work like any other business does. Most businesses work out their pricing by working out the cost of production + profit and tax. They are in control of who they sell to. When component prices go up so to does the selling price.
Farming doesn't work like that. Farmers have little to no control over prices.
The combination of global markets, supermarket competition and subsidized food control the prices.
At the same time input costs and yields are not controllable either. Weather conditions play a huge role in how good the harvest is. Unless you are able to grow all your feed for your livestock there can be huge variation year to year on feed prices.

Farming is a high asset value to low income business. It is unique purely because it is a rubbish business model. But it is a necessary business. Without it quite simply we would have no food.

Why do farms make so little return?

A lot of the foods you buy are subsidised by the government and has been for decades.
if we had to pay the full costs we would have an even more serious poverty issue than we have already.

After the war in the 1950s we had a serious issue with malnutrition and issues like rickets. Food was short and expensive. The country on its knees after the horrors of the 1940s. In order to combat that the government subsidised lots of essential foods. So the public were paying artificially low prices for things like milk. They then paid the farmers a subsidy to partially make up the shortfall

For context in the 1980s people were paying approximately 25% of their household income on average on food.
Today it is approximately 13% so half.

A pint of milk was equal to two pints of beer
Now beer per pint is 13 x more expensive than a pint of milk.

If people want farmers to go back to paying IHT then they will need to double what they pay for food.

Can you afford that? Can everyone you know afford it?

It’s important to note too that even with subsidies farmers still do not get the full value of what they produce.

What about people buying land to avoid paying tax?
The likes of Clarkson and Dyson buying land is a red herring. That land is still in the business production of food. It's doing what's needed.

Many many big landowners rent agricultural land out at very reasonable rates for tenant farmers. They do so because they don't need the money for the rent (it needs to cover its cost not much more) because the payoff comes in the form of reduced IHT.

I personally know a farmer who rented land for 17 years from a landowner. Then when landowner was considering selling up he sold it to the farmer at a really good price and guaranteed the farmers mortgage!

That said though this budget will do nothing to deter those who seek to reduce their IHT bill as it will still be the cheapest way of reducing IHT bill.

But farmers voted for Brexit
farmers voted for brexit in no greater numbers percentage wise than any other profession.
Don't make sweeping judgments without actually knowing the FACTS.

Farmers are no more responsible for brexit than any other profession

What about Gifting the farm?

The trouble is you don't know when you're going to die.
If you gift it on then you can't benefit from the farm in anyway after that. So you can't pass it on and remain living in the farmhouse for example. Even if the person you pass it on to is also living there.

And what if people don't die in the right order. Farming is considered to be the most dangerous profession in the UK now. What if the oldest generation pass it on and the younger generation die first?

Putting land in trusts is also complicated. For large landowners that is probably what they will do. So therefore the very wealthy will still avoid IHT.

But for the majority of farms putting it in a trust doesn’t work because once it’s in a trust you can’t borrow against it. So you can’t raise a loan or mortgage against it. This will slow or halt development and progression.

What are the potential consequences of this?
If we lose too many family farms due to this tax then they are likely gone forever. Other farmers won’t be able to buy up all the available land - they simply don’t have the money especially now.

If food production here reduces we become even more vulnerable to the instability of global markets.
At best it would mean price hikes at worst if there were to be another major war or global disaster we could have serious food shortages. You only have to think back to the panic in 2020 with covid to see the potential for chaos.

The predicted income from this tax is approximately 500million a year.
We are currently sending 536million a year abroad to develop agriculture in other parts of the world. Brazil being one of the largest recipients of our money - Brazil is the 11th largest economy in the world.

Stop sending more money abroad and leave farmers alone

This

GrannyGoggles · 26/11/2024 15:56

@Pippyls67

Disproportionally impacting those who can least afford it:

Investing in land still makes tax sense for the Dysons and Clarksons

Vast estates like Westminsters shielded by trusts

The several thousand acres, ski-ing, private school pony riding who seem to so offend some, also carefully planned and shielded

More modest holdings with some family members working off the farm, and who have diversified in other ways, and are not wholly dependent on farming, will plan carefully and survive, possibly with a reduced holding

Two or three generations on a smaller holding worth in excess of £3 million wholly dependent on agriculture are going to really struggle.

MargoLivebetter · 26/11/2024 15:57

@notanothernamechange24 for me, your post provides a compelling case for why we need a food production policy in this country, rather than an inequitable inheritance tax system.

Kendodd · 26/11/2024 16:00

I know!
I can't believe him and Farage have appointment themselves champion's for farming.
I'm really hoping this tax results in a collapse in the price of farmland and people like Clarkson and Dyson, who only bought to avoid tax, losing a fortune. Real farmers shouldn't care what price the land is, because regardless of the price, it still produces the same amount of food. It'll bring them all below the IHT threshold as well. Win win.

notanothernamechange24 · 26/11/2024 16:03

MargoLivebetter · 26/11/2024 15:57

@notanothernamechange24 for me, your post provides a compelling case for why we need a food production policy in this country, rather than an inequitable inheritance tax system.

Which I dare say farmers would be delighted with!
It would however result in you paying double for your food!

Acommonreader · 26/11/2024 16:06

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/11/2024 11:45

The farmers I know think he’s done more to raise the profile of the difficulties farmers are facing than anyone else has ever managed to. They love him and are grateful for his involvement.

Raising the profile is great but what has actually been achieved? Have the public insisted on paying a fair price for dairy and other farm products? No , everyone enjoys watching Clarkson on tv then chooses the cheapest chicken they can find in Tesco!
Farms have been struggling and closing for decades. Why the big outrage now?
Farmers are being played and should be protesting against the supermarkets!

hamsandyams · 26/11/2024 16:08

Pippyls67 · 26/11/2024 11:51

It’s a lifestyle though isn’t it. There are absolutely massive compensations. The morning commute isn’t two hours on a heaving train and you’re not just seeing the family in the weekends and you’re not stuck in a toxic office with a bullying boss and the threat of the dole hanging over you if you stand up for yourself. Also you’re not cleaning up vomit, tackling knife weilding criminals or scaling burning buildings so it’s not fair to do the ‘nobody works so hard’ thing. It’s not an easy life but hey sometimes some jobs are just a bit shit!

You’re right - it’s probably best we leave farming to those in third world countries where working for a pittance is sustainable, and hope to god they keep selling is food!

cardibach · 26/11/2024 16:10

notanothernamechange24 · 26/11/2024 15:50

@cardibach please read this in full

Decided to write a post to kind of myth bust a lot of what is being said around the agricultural Inheritance Tax issue. Because this issue is important to EVERYONE and will affect all of us.
It’s going to be a long post but please read it in full.

What has changed?
So with the budget the government has removed both APR relief and BPR relief from all businesses.
APR = Agricultural Property Relief - this covers the land, the buildings and the farmhouse.
BPR = Business Property Relief - this covers the machinery, equipment, livestock, consumables such as seed and fertiliser and crop in the ground.
Now the first million of combined assets from both APR and BPR is IHT free and anything over 1 million is taxed at 20%.
Under certain conditions it MIGHT be possible for SOME farms to get up to 3 million tax free. But that doesn't work for all. It’s a case of if your circumstances meet the exact criteria your ok if not you won’t get the full 3 million.

When the government talk about 500 farms per year being affected they are only talking about the APR proportion of the tax. They have deliberately excluded talking about the fact that BPR is also included and taxed.

The NFU are saying that 75% of family farms will be affected.

• it will also include a significant number of tenant farmers as they still will be affected by BPR.
BPR will also affect a number of other industries as well.
Haulage firms, Contractors and any businesses with high asset values comparative to income will be badly affected.

At the same time subsidies are being cut by 70% in some cases
Tax on fertiliser is going up by £50 per ton.
Tax on domestic vehicles is going up over 200%
NI for employers is going up.

Why shouldn't farmers pay tax like every other business?
Because quite simply farming doesn't work like any other business does. Most businesses work out their pricing by working out the cost of production + profit and tax. They are in control of who they sell to. When component prices go up so to does the selling price.
Farming doesn't work like that. Farmers have little to no control over prices.
The combination of global markets, supermarket competition and subsidized food control the prices.
At the same time input costs and yields are not controllable either. Weather conditions play a huge role in how good the harvest is. Unless you are able to grow all your feed for your livestock there can be huge variation year to year on feed prices.

Farming is a high asset value to low income business. It is unique purely because it is a rubbish business model. But it is a necessary business. Without it quite simply we would have no food.

Why do farms make so little return?

A lot of the foods you buy are subsidised by the government and has been for decades.
if we had to pay the full costs we would have an even more serious poverty issue than we have already.

After the war in the 1950s we had a serious issue with malnutrition and issues like rickets. Food was short and expensive. The country on its knees after the horrors of the 1940s. In order to combat that the government subsidised lots of essential foods. So the public were paying artificially low prices for things like milk. They then paid the farmers a subsidy to partially make up the shortfall

For context in the 1980s people were paying approximately 25% of their household income on average on food.
Today it is approximately 13% so half.

A pint of milk was equal to two pints of beer
Now beer per pint is 13 x more expensive than a pint of milk.

If people want farmers to go back to paying IHT then they will need to double what they pay for food.

Can you afford that? Can everyone you know afford it?

It’s important to note too that even with subsidies farmers still do not get the full value of what they produce.

What about people buying land to avoid paying tax?
The likes of Clarkson and Dyson buying land is a red herring. That land is still in the business production of food. It's doing what's needed.

Many many big landowners rent agricultural land out at very reasonable rates for tenant farmers. They do so because they don't need the money for the rent (it needs to cover its cost not much more) because the payoff comes in the form of reduced IHT.

I personally know a farmer who rented land for 17 years from a landowner. Then when landowner was considering selling up he sold it to the farmer at a really good price and guaranteed the farmers mortgage!

That said though this budget will do nothing to deter those who seek to reduce their IHT bill as it will still be the cheapest way of reducing IHT bill.

But farmers voted for Brexit
farmers voted for brexit in no greater numbers percentage wise than any other profession.
Don't make sweeping judgments without actually knowing the FACTS.

Farmers are no more responsible for brexit than any other profession

What about Gifting the farm?

The trouble is you don't know when you're going to die.
If you gift it on then you can't benefit from the farm in anyway after that. So you can't pass it on and remain living in the farmhouse for example. Even if the person you pass it on to is also living there.

And what if people don't die in the right order. Farming is considered to be the most dangerous profession in the UK now. What if the oldest generation pass it on and the younger generation die first?

Putting land in trusts is also complicated. For large landowners that is probably what they will do. So therefore the very wealthy will still avoid IHT.

But for the majority of farms putting it in a trust doesn’t work because once it’s in a trust you can’t borrow against it. So you can’t raise a loan or mortgage against it. This will slow or halt development and progression.

What are the potential consequences of this?
If we lose too many family farms due to this tax then they are likely gone forever. Other farmers won’t be able to buy up all the available land - they simply don’t have the money especially now.

If food production here reduces we become even more vulnerable to the instability of global markets.
At best it would mean price hikes at worst if there were to be another major war or global disaster we could have serious food shortages. You only have to think back to the panic in 2020 with covid to see the potential for chaos.

The predicted income from this tax is approximately 500million a year.
We are currently sending 536million a year abroad to develop agriculture in other parts of the world. Brazil being one of the largest recipients of our money - Brazil is the 11th largest economy in the world.

Stop sending more money abroad and leave farmers alone

I already did.

Acommonreader · 26/11/2024 16:14

notanothernamechange24 · 26/11/2024 13:25

Decided to write a post to kind of myth bust a lot of what is being said around the agricultural Inheritance Tax issue. Because this issue is important to EVERYONE and will affect all of us.
It’s going to be a long post but please read it in full.

What has changed?
So with the budget the government has removed both APR relief and BPR relief from all businesses.
APR = Agricultural Property Relief - this covers the land, the buildings and the farmhouse.
BPR = Business Property Relief - this covers the machinery, equipment, livestock, consumables such as seed and fertiliser and crop in the ground.
Now the first million of combined assets from both APR and BPR is IHT free and anything over 1 million is taxed at 20%.
Under certain conditions it MIGHT be possible for SOME farms to get up to 3 million tax free. But that doesn't work for all. It’s a case of if your circumstances meet the exact criteria your ok if not you won’t get the full 3 million.

When the government talk about 500 farms per year being affected they are only talking about the APR proportion of the tax. They have deliberately excluded talking about the fact that BPR is also included and taxed.

The NFU are saying that 75% of family farms will be affected.

• it will also include a significant number of tenant farmers as they still will be affected by BPR.
BPR will also affect a number of other industries as well.
Haulage firms, Contractors and any businesses with high asset values comparative to income will be badly affected.

At the same time subsidies are being cut by 70% in some cases
Tax on fertiliser is going up by £50 per ton.
Tax on domestic vehicles is going up over 200%
NI for employers is going up.

Why shouldn't farmers pay tax like every other business?
Because quite simply farming doesn't work like any other business does. Most businesses work out their pricing by working out the cost of production + profit and tax. They are in control of who they sell to. When component prices go up so to does the selling price.
Farming doesn't work like that. Farmers have little to no control over prices.
The combination of global markets, supermarket competition and subsidized food control the prices.
At the same time input costs and yields are not controllable either. Weather conditions play a huge role in how good the harvest is. Unless you are able to grow all your feed for your livestock there can be huge variation year to year on feed prices.

Farming is a high asset value to low income business. It is unique purely because it is a rubbish business model. But it is a necessary business. Without it quite simply we would have no food.

Why do farms make so little return?

A lot of the foods you buy are subsidised by the government and has been for decades.
if we had to pay the full costs we would have an even more serious poverty issue than we have already.

After the war in the 1950s we had a serious issue with malnutrition and issues like rickets. Food was short and expensive. The country on its knees after the horrors of the 1940s. In order to combat that the government subsidised lots of essential foods. So the public were paying artificially low prices for things like milk. They then paid the farmers a subsidy to partially make up the shortfall

For context in the 1980s people were paying approximately 25% of their household income on average on food.
Today it is approximately 13% so half.

A pint of milk was equal to two pints of beer
Now beer per pint is 13 x more expensive than a pint of milk.

If people want farmers to go back to paying IHT then they will need to double what they pay for food.

Can you afford that? Can everyone you know afford it?

It’s important to note too that even with subsidies farmers still do not get the full value of what they produce.

What about people buying land to avoid paying tax?
The likes of Clarkson and Dyson buying land is a red herring. That land is still in the business production of food. It's doing what's needed.

Many many big landowners rent agricultural land out at very reasonable rates for tenant farmers. They do so because they don't need the money for the rent (it needs to cover its cost not much more) because the payoff comes in the form of reduced IHT.

I personally know a farmer who rented land for 17 years from a landowner. Then when landowner was considering selling up he sold it to the farmer at a really good price and guaranteed the farmers mortgage!

That said though this budget will do nothing to deter those who seek to reduce their IHT bill as it will still be the cheapest way of reducing IHT bill.

But farmers voted for Brexit
farmers voted for brexit in no greater numbers percentage wise than any other profession.
Don't make sweeping judgments without actually knowing the FACTS.

Farmers are no more responsible for brexit than any other profession

What about Gifting the farm?

The trouble is you don't know when you're going to die.
If you gift it on then you can't benefit from the farm in anyway after that. So you can't pass it on and remain living in the farmhouse for example. Even if the person you pass it on to is also living there.

And what if people don't die in the right order. Farming is considered to be the most dangerous profession in the UK now. What if the oldest generation pass it on and the younger generation die first?

Putting land in trusts is also complicated. For large landowners that is probably what they will do. So therefore the very wealthy will still avoid IHT.

But for the majority of farms putting it in a trust doesn’t work because once it’s in a trust you can’t borrow against it. So you can’t raise a loan or mortgage against it. This will slow or halt development and progression.

What are the potential consequences of this?
If we lose too many family farms due to this tax then they are likely gone forever. Other farmers won’t be able to buy up all the available land - they simply don’t have the money especially now.

If food production here reduces we become even more vulnerable to the instability of global markets.
At best it would mean price hikes at worst if there were to be another major war or global disaster we could have serious food shortages. You only have to think back to the panic in 2020 with covid to see the potential for chaos.

The predicted income from this tax is approximately 500million a year.
We are currently sending 536million a year abroad to develop agriculture in other parts of the world. Brazil being one of the largest recipients of our money - Brazil is the 11th largest economy in the world.

Stop sending more money abroad and leave farmers alone

Thanks for this. Great information on a complicated issue!

Doitrightnow · 26/11/2024 16:15

TY78910 · 26/11/2024 11:52

Not a farmer but have watched all of Clarkson's farm. First for entertainment but then out of genuine fascination for certain aspects of farming. You can also see the journey he's been on since season one where most things were a joke, through to most recent season where he's grown to really care for what he is doing. People can grow through their experiences and change and I think that's what's happened here. People don't see him as a farmer, but frankly I think he's doing best as he can. People change 'professions' all the time. I think smaller communities need to be more open and inclusive.

I agree with this.

I have learnt a lot about the issues facing farmers from his show. I also get the impression that it may have started off as a tax dodge but now he genuinely cares. His farm is an operational farm, it's not like he's bought it only to let it go wild.

I think people who think farmers having to sell off land will lead to anything good are deluded. More likely to lead to land being built on by developers, sold to the Chinese, worse quality food and worse food security. .

EasternStandard · 26/11/2024 16:17

I think people who think farmers having to sell off land will lead to anything good are deluded. More likely to lead to land being built on by developers, sold to the Chinese, worse quality food and worse food security.

Not singling out Chinese investors particularly but this. It will be a land grab and not by families who once owned farms for generations

sugarapplelane · 26/11/2024 16:24

He’s an odious twat.
I’m not a violent person, but oh my god I just want to punch him.

ethelredonagoodday · 26/11/2024 16:27

MargoLivebetter · 26/11/2024 15:20

I listened to the Institute of Fiscal Services podcast about this to try and sidestep the hyperbole and get some facts.

I loathe Jeremy Clarkson. Even his farming programme annoys the hell out of me, as I come from an agricultural background and can see so much of it is play farming for the cameras. Whilst the programme has raised public awareness of farming it has also made a shit ton of money for Clarkson. I don't think he did it as a public service!!!!

If you have an inequitable tax system, then people will use it to legally avoid paying tax. The existing inheritance tax on agricultural land has created exactly this issue. Wealthy people have bought up agricultural land to avoid inheritance tax. I spent years working in or on the fringes of the City and knew plenty of loaded old City boys who bought agricultural land with a tenant farmer precisely to avoid inheritance tax. There are plenty of more well publicised individuals to know that this exact issue exists.

Personally, I think we need to look at how we farm in the UK and how we want to farm and we need to consider how best to achieve the farming outcome that is required. Do we want to be more self-sufficient, do we want to produce food more efficiently, do we want economies of scale in farming? Without a properly considered food production policy, then we are only ever tinkering around at the edges.

I do think that the existing inequities in inheritance tax were undesirable. I'm not sure that the allowances proposed are quite right, but as the Government has yet to announce the finer details, I'm hoping there will be some room for manouvre and organisations like the NFU are feeding into the process.

I definitely think that populists like Jeremy Clarkson and that utter wanker, Nigel Garage should be quiet and not stir the pot. The only people they are interested in are themselves.

This sums up my view.

My husband is a farmer's son and I'm the granddaughter and niece of farmers.

Alphaalga · 26/11/2024 16:46

taxguru · 26/11/2024 15:14

I think its more Labour and Reeves who are "decimating the economy" by their tax hikes on business!

Do you actually think the economy turned into a pig's ear since Labour got in?

Do you actually think business as a whole has been paying its way under the tories?

Do you actually think an actual tax 'guru' would answer in the affirmative to either of the above?

username8348 · 26/11/2024 16:48

MrsPeregrine · 26/11/2024 13:04

You wouldn’t be saying that if he wasn’t an old middle aged white man though. Would you?

I am not discriminatory when it comes to calling people wankers.

HRTQueen · 26/11/2024 17:03

Really or you just don't like him

The only people that seem to have an issue with his vocal support is those that prefer to get annoyed with him than rather listen to what the farmers are saying

Can't you look beyond JC its not difficult

username8348 · 26/11/2024 17:28

HRTQueen · 26/11/2024 17:03

Really or you just don't like him

The only people that seem to have an issue with his vocal support is those that prefer to get annoyed with him than rather listen to what the farmers are saying

Can't you look beyond JC its not difficult

If you're talking to me, no I don't like him. I think he's a colossal wanker. I don't like obnoxious, racist, aggressive, entitled people. Multi millionaires who don't want to pay tax are a scourge on society.

I think Farage is also a colossal wanker. Perhaps more so that Clarkson because he was elected to one of the most deprived areas in the UK and hasn't been doing his job. Now he's marching because he doesn't want to pay tax - probably the first time his constituents knew where he was.

They are a pair of colossal wankers.

MonkeyToHeaven · 26/11/2024 17:37

taxguru · 26/11/2024 14:40

@MonkeyToHeaven

So who should be paying for our education, healthcare, public services, welfare, farming subsidies and land grants?

Tackling tax evasion, money laundering, illegal employment, "cash in hand" jobs, drug dealing, prostitution, organised crime, "duty free" sales of alcohol and cigarettes "under the counter" in shops and pubs, "cash in hand" work, unregistered traders, etc etc. would raise billions - far more than the millions raised from the farmers IHT grab, and would have loads of other benefits too, i.e. tacking unsafe/illegal working, etc.

The governmental figure for loss of tax revenue due to the "black economy" is several billion per year - other estimates of all tax evasion suggest tens of billions per year. It's a HUGE problem.

Small change compared to corporate tax avoidance and nothing compared to the wealth tied up by the landed gentry and investment corporations in land.

Yalta · 26/11/2024 17:44

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/11/2024 11:31

Pootles34

I cannot think of another job where people work so hard!

Have you been to hospital lately? At least half a dozen jobs right there.

But do they work 365 days per year and is their pay a pittance in a lot of cases and even less if the weather isn’t good

Yalta · 26/11/2024 17:52

Alphaalga · 26/11/2024 16:46

Do you actually think the economy turned into a pig's ear since Labour got in?

Do you actually think business as a whole has been paying its way under the tories?

Do you actually think an actual tax 'guru' would answer in the affirmative to either of the above?

I know that my job is at risk now because of labours NI hike. So yes my economy has turned to shit (along with everyone else I work with

Yalta · 26/11/2024 17:55

And if my job and the others I work with don’t get enough work then the government UC bill is going to go up more than any extra they are expecting to get from our employer.

And the spiral begins

notanothernamechange24 · 26/11/2024 18:08

@bombastix so much for the NFU and farmers rally not having any chance of having an impact with government.

Jeremy Clarkson is damaging farmers
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