What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

Now I can understand why people wouldnt want embryo tissue injected into themselves. But you havent explained why that is harmful.

ETA
and you havent provided any proof that tissue from terminated pregnancies are actually used. My understanding is that some vaccine tissue can be grown using cells from terminations, not, as you claim, tissue from "aborted fetuses"

@Annabmt There are natural cures for smallpox and polio? I hadn't heard of this!

@PumpkinsAndCoconuts I mentioned those two faiths because those at faiths with laws about what is clean it unclean to put in the body. I'm not sure whether they might have cells from pigs or monkeys in or something that wouldn't be Kosher (or Halal).

I think people should be allowed the choice. I just wish they would make better choices. My kids are vaccinated and my dd caught measles. Apparently she would have been a hell of a lot worse had she not been vaccinated. She was seriously fucking ill and it was scary. She only caught it because the herd immunity has been diminished by anti vaxers. But I do really believe the state has no right to control its citizens this way 🤷‍♀️

My cousin ended up with an enlarged heart and was in hospital for over 6 months after a Covid vaccine. Vaccines now scare the shit out of me

Nothing in that post is false.

Flint.

Sandy Hook, Columbine, the myriad others.

Trump is a convicted felon.

Harmful how?

The foetal cell lines used for growing and/or testing vaccines are used across many research fields. Will you refuse cancer treatment should you need it? Cure it with prayer and homeopathy?

Science has some unpleasant sides - animal testing, for one - but spreading misinformation and lies is vile. Look at Samoa. Shame on anyone spreading antivax propaganda.

😂

Dear god, How are you even a nurse?

That religious exemption she is talking about are the people who are so anti science that they will let their child die from a curable illness instead of go to a doctor bc, who the fuck knows. It's about as backwards as you can get. And these are the same people that worry about sharia law in America... ironic.

Vaccines can be grown using cell lines derived from foetal tissue collected after a couple of elective abortions in the 60s/70s. A lot of scientific testing is done using these 2 particular cell lines, including research into the use of CRISPR technology, which forms the basis of lots of extremely important scientific endeavours.

It’s not just vaccines - so where do you draw the line? Will you administer drugs tested using these cell lines? Take them yourself to cure any serious illness you get? [edit - quoted wrong person- apologies. This is aimed at the religious nurse who can cure small pox with incantations and incense]

And as PP have said - the Vatican have ok’d it.

I'm pro vaccination for the most part but it's more than tough if your child is the 1 in 1000. It can be fatal in the case of ITP as mentioned.

The needs of the many don't outweigh the lives of the few and if there is a family history of a serious reaction than it absolutely shouldn't be compulsory.

It’s horrific. So sad for the poor children who end up in misery because of nonsense like that.

It isn’t. There are medical exemptions.

And actually, for society to function, the needs of the many have to be the driving force.

People can remain steadfastly committed to individual freedoms and not vaccinate their children, but they can’t simultaneously expect to be integrated into a society they refuse to honour.

I was replying to the poster that said it must be tough if it's your child is the one that has the reaction.

In a civilised society individuals have rights and should not be compelled to put themselves at risk if there is evidence in their medical history that it will cause them harm. They absolutely still have the right to be integrated into society. Their refusal is not a lack of compliance, it's self preservation. Some replies don't appear to acknowledge this.

Yes, they do.

Hence the medical exemption provision.

People who decide they know better than science because they saw it on TikTok don’t deserve that accommodation.

I absolutely agree.

Sadly people won’t do the right thing. The money compelled a lot of them to change their minds though.

No, the covid vaccines were developed using chicken embryo cells.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-tissue-260337

How does that belief align with other medical interventions you might be required to perform as a nurse?

If God is telling you it would be wrong to have vaccines, what other medical procedures does he (or she) approve of? Why would vaccines be different from other interventions?

What are the natural cures to polio and smallpox (I have an epidemiologist in the family who would love to know!).

Yes, there are a few traditional plant-based remedies, as well as some other medicines, that you can use to treat smallpox. Food combinations can also prevent smallpox. There is now a plant-based vaccine for polio as well.

Do you have peer-reviewed studies for all you claim @annanbmt ?

Not at my ds school when he started in September. I do think the rule should be implemented in the uk

This is ridiculous. What religion means you have exemption? Your line about adding extra things to the vaccine makes no sense at all. What do you think they are adding?

They literally add aborted fetal tissue

There are currently promising vaccines in development using plants and polio is one of them. I do not believe that any have yet been approved. If memory serves, they are actually boosters rather than initial vaccinations, and, amusingly, are MRNA technology and the research is largely founded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

@Annabmt

Are you talking about resveratrol, which is believed to have some ability to stop some viruses from replicating? If so, there is nothing that has been proved and any advances are towards finding a way to create a medical solution using it as a base. There is no known food combination that can prevent smallpox.

You seem to be taking small bits of knowledge out of context. I'm concerned about the quality of nursing if you are in fact training to become one.

No. They do not. Can you read? If so, please do.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/do-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-tissue-260337