What do you think of Australia's vaccine policy?

[rampy]

I'm born and bred Aussie. We live in WA and kids here can't go to kindy or school
without having been vaccinated. I have a couple of British friends who were so offended that they needed to vaccinate their kids they home schooled because 'well we'll just go back to the uk' but they've stayed and now need to get their kids vaccinated because they have no friends their own age and can't go to school without vaccines.

You can't apply for child related benefits if your kid isn't vaccinated either here.

Having seen NZ have just declared a whooping cough epidemic Id say I agree with WA stance I'm honest!

I do agree that kids should be vaccinated but then I didn’t vaccinate my children against Covid and wouldn’t have liked that to be enforced.

I'd have to think about that. You see most of the places one travels to from the West that require vaccination proof on entry are significantly poorer than the UK and couldn't handle an outbreak of whatever and don't want it to leave the country either. That's why I vaccinate - to protect the other country from having to spend resources on healing me etc. Not because I don't want to burden the NHS as such.

TB has particular repercussions here. I think possibly because our vaccination rate is so low. I mean why don't they screen for polio and other diseases too? Probably because of the severity, transmission rate and low immunity of our population.

I don't know how I feel about vaccination being a condition for all immigrants, especially ones that are seeking asylum. Screening for current TB is different. I suppose I'd do that to go to the US or Australia or something so I think it's okay if immigrants have to do it to come here.

It doesn't have to be present, but it is in 95% of cervical cancer cases. That's a huge percentage. Statistically your risk of cervical cancer without HPV is tiny and ita not cost effective at all to keep regularly checking those without HPV.

And there are good reasons for waiting for mammograms too. Public health is about statistical risk balanced with cost effectiveness, and you've picked very poor examples to argue about

I mean, I literally mentioned the financial reasons for not testing all cells in my post…

Mammograms should be offered at a younger age - most guidelines recommend from 40. The reason it is 50 in the uk is purely financial - and possibly tinged with health sexism.

Are you also pro polio and smallpox?

Given there have been a whole host of successful cases against vaccine manufacturers, and several going through the courts, certain vaccines are highly ineffective, with outbreaks of e.g. measles and whooping cough often occurring in highly vaccinated populations, and increasingly several are known to be downright dangerous (HPV & Covid for starters), the idea of mandating them is abhorrent to me. You don't need to scratch the surface very far to see the dangers.

How is the HPV vaccine dangerous?

It's obviously not up to me to do your research, but if you look at the following :
Gardasilgirls on Insta you can immerse yourself in the lives of young women with lives destroyed by that vaccine (I personally know two HPV vax injured teens, one with Lupus one with POTS). Even The Guardian had articles on how dangerous HPV vax is only a few years ago, as well as letters from doctors in the BMJ, but it is now hard to find these sources if you don't know where to look. There is no doubt in my mind is is censored. The impact is egregious yet there are stupid posters here who want to mandate this absolute poison

The research on vaccines generally shows it causes developmental delays in small children: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7268563/
Just one article, start looking yourself for ALL the rest

Read 'Turtles All the Way Down' for a fully referenced and shocking read into how inefficacious vaccines are, and start looking properly. People like RFK jnr are popular because there is a big problem people are closing their minds to

Excess mortality is through the roof - still! - post CV19 vaccinations. That is not a disputed fact. Insurance companies are unnerved by it as professional working age people who shouldn't be ill are dying in numbers they shouldn't. Bizarrely the one thing government don't want to seem to consider as a possible cause is the vaccine itself.

For those keen to do the research, here’s some info on the ways that study is flawed.

https://science.feedback.org/review/significant-methodological-flaws-in-a-2020-study-claiming-to-show-unvaccinated-children-are-healthier-brian-hooker-childrens-health-defense/

And for the science-based refutation of the turtle book:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/part-1-10-the-grand-debunk-of-the-antivaxxer-book-turtles-all-the-way-down/

Hopefully reading as much literature as possible on both sides will help inform decisions

With regard to whooping cough, the whole-cell version of the vaccine had extremely rare, but significant side effects. It has therefore been replaced in most countries by an acellular version. The acellular version is considerably less effective and its effects diminish to nothing within about 10 years. However, the UK, unlike many other countries, does not offer teenage boosters, leaving the vast majority of the population unprotected from quite a young age. Actually getting whooping cough also doesn’t actually result in lifelong immunity, either, so if you’re complaining about whooping cough, you should be arguing for more regular vaccination, not stopping vaccination and thus condemning the most vulnerable to a painful death, as it is a highly contagious infection and history shows it can and does kill.

Whilst whooping cough is most dangerous to small babies, who can and do die from it, getting it in early childhood significantly increases the risk of developing asthma, it can cause permanent lung damage, hernias, collapsed lungs, incontinence, secondary infections and, at the least, frankly horrible symptoms for several months.

Didnt expect to see RFK supporters on MN, but you live and learn.
Give your children the HPV vaccine. It saves lives, as has been proved in Ireland. Millioms of women die every year from cervical cancer in India and other poor countries because they cant get HPV. It makes me sick that people in this country sneer at vaccines.

No thanks - I’d rather not have all the aluminium or formaldehyde it contains
(I did ‘survive’ whooping cough, measles, chicken pox without it)

Millions do NOT die - 77k. So 18 per million rate, and that is put down to lack of screening

Yes, please. I would rather not go back to the high numbers of deaths and disability every year that occurred pre-vaccination, or selfishly expecting others to protect me without any reciprocity.

77 k in India. That are recorded. I did say other countries too. There will be many more that are not recorded. We needn't quibble over numbers because it's way too many for a preventable cancer.Compared to what: 2 deaths from the vaccine?
And I will eat my hat if women in the UK who dont get the vax are being screened instead as a preventive.

That’s not to say I’m pro every vaccination that has ever been created being forced onto people, but there are certainly some vaccinations, particularly those offered in infancy and childhood, that I think it is ridiculous for all but a tiny minority who have genuinely good medical reasons to refuse.

certain vaccines yes, not flu or covid for children though

I agree that flu and covid vaccinations for children are somewhat different from the others, as it is acknowledged these are given more to protect older populations than the children themselves. The other childhood vaccinations have a direct benefit for the age groups they are given to, along with everyone else.

After the insane way Australia behaved during Covid I can’t take them seriously as a country anymore and certainly will never set foot there again.

There isn’t a causal link between the HPV vaccine and CFS or POTS. There was a scare which led to a drop in vaccine uptake but the reason you won’t find articles when you google is that there wasn’t any proven link and further research bears that out.

POTS is most commonly diagnosed at the age of 12-15 and 75% of those diagnosed are girls. The HPV vaccine is most commonly given to 12-15 year olds and most countries first roll out of the vaccine focused on girls. People put together POTS diagnoses with the vaccination program and feared it was linked. The numbers of girls diagnosed with POTS per year before the HPV vaccine was introduced hasn’t changed after the vaccine was introduced. It’s post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I can't take the US seriously as a country after they reelected the man who suggested we all drink bleach. Who then appointed the man who killed a bunch of Samoan children with his anti vax bullshit.

Or took animal worming medication

It’s horrific and worse because it was completely preventable

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/26/rfk-jr-samoa-visit-measles-outbreak-vaccines

No , I have said nothing remotely similar to that.