To ask if people today don’t agree with ivf?!

[Yaerry]

or am I just naive? Watched the new documentary about Jean Purdy and I’m surprised there was so much push back at the time. It’s made me wonder if one day surrogacy will be more accepted? I thought ivf was just a standard thing now that wasn’t controversial.

Surrogacy and IVF are very different things.

IVF is a medical procedure to overcome the fact that some people cannot have a child naturally. The way some people are talking here they wouldn't have a blood transfusion or chemotherapy etc- neither of them.are "natural" either.

It's very easy sit in judgement of others without knowing their experience.

I can't have children and IVF was ruled out. (Not because it wouldn't work but due to the fact it would be a very high risk pregnancy for other reasons ressons).

I have a very high AMH level. Many years after coming to peace with my infertility, I asked if I could donate my eggs. I was told it was too late as I was too old by that time.

I really don't see what is so wrong with someone else benefiting from my eggs and I would have been donating them of my own free will.

This! Also the reason we are going through IVF. I think it's ridiculous people who had cancer that impacts their fertility don't get automatic entitlement to IVF. Instead it's a postcode lottery. We're very lucky living where we do but in other parts of the country we'd have limited or no entitlement.

On all of the above. The sooner we introduce a system whereby people take responsibility for these things the better.

There is no 'but so does adoption' argument.

In adoption the child already exists and the birth parents are not able to parent. Adoption is considered the 'least worst' option for the child.

In surrogacy you create a baby with the express intention upfront to remove the child from the mother who carried them for 9 months.

I don't have a problem with IVF but there needs to be an upper age limit. I know the NHS have a cut off at 42 but if you've got the money age doesn't matter. There's a German woman who had triplets at 65 when she already had 13 children. It would have been illegal to have it done in Germany so she had to go abroad. It shouldn't just be about what the adults want. She'll be 83 by the time they're old enough to go to university.

Infertility is not a lifestyle choice.

It is a medical problem usually caused by illness.

I draw the line at the NHS dealing with actual people - not creating new ones.

Children born from donors do get to know "where they come from." The donors provide medical history, ethnic/cultural/language info, generic testing is done, physical descriptions are given along with the donor's photos (often at least one baby pic and one recent adult pic), a short essay written by the donor about themselves, their interests, education, why they are donating; and whether or not they consent to contact once the child reaches 18.

There are also numerous dna/ancestry sites available.

I agree children have a right to know where they come from. However, many countries/states/provinces have adoption legislation that allows birth parents the right to deny the children they give up the right to find them.
How does this fit with the "right to know" assertion?

There is no increase in the numbers of children with SEN. There is an increase in the understanding of SEN and that people are actually getting diagnosed and helped.

This is also a wonderful example of our brilliant progress in medicine and health.

Autism has always existed, it just wasn’t as visible and poor children weren’t supported, and either died early from neglect or were hidden away.

ADHD kids were just naughty or silly daydreamers.

We have moved on thank goodness!!

Infertile people are actual people that need dealing with.

Infertility is soul destroying and usually also caused by an illness which needs treating anyway. If any other bodily function didn't work you would expect treatment so why should people who's reproductive systems not work not be treated?

Couldn't edit. She had quadruplets not triplets.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/annegret-raunigk-65yearold-german-woman-gives-birth-to-quadruplets-after-ivf-10271972.html
https://x.com/bzberlin/status/681904632994643968

@StormingNorman so you can be an overweight alcoholic smoker and that's fine!
But have a condition that's means your soerm
Is low or an infection which means your tubes are blocked and it's a no!

Seriously have a think and educate yourself

IVF isn't doing that. It isn't treating the reproductive organs.

@Rosscameasdoody where do you draw the line.

Do you drink, smoke, eat unhealthy foods, cycle, drive, ride a motorbike, run down stairs jn your socks?

Because it is a medical issue that is just as deserving as other medical issues that don’t kill you but damages your quality of life?

I also watched The Joy of ivf on Netflix. Such an emotional film for me as I am, and will always be forever grateful to those women who put themselves through those earliest trials. I am so lucky that ivf worked for me twice (once from frozen) and gave me the greatest gifts of two much loved children after ten years and much heartache.

Heartbreaking that Jean Purdy gave her life to help women achieve the dream that eluded her due to severe endometriosis and then lost her life to cancer at 40 💔

Yes I do. Humans are not possessions.

So someone who, for example, had cancer as a child and is subsequently sterile, is not allowed to have any kind of NHS fertility treatment. But someone who chose to smoke, drink and eat to excess, despite already having had 4 heart attacks, is entitled to an NHS coronary artery bypass?

I’d like to know how many of the anti IVF/surrogacy/donor brigade have had to endure the pain of not being able to conceive naturally.

If you've previously been sterilised and your hubby is a drug taking wrongun, why do the NHS still take a few grand off you to have it done?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/couple-use-tiktok-raise-45k-22011883

Nope. Disabled, full time wheelchair user. Eat as healthily as possible because I’m limited mobility wise and know how easy it is to be overweight, which adds to my problems. Have never smoked, don’t really drink and definitely don’t ride a motorbike or run downstairs in my socks. Although sometimes I wish I could. The NHS has saved my life several times over and been there whenever I’ve needed it. It saddens me to see people taking the piss. When cancer patients can’t access suitable drugs because NICE won’t approve them, it seems perverse to allow couples several rounds of fertility treatment - that’s not what the NHS was designed for. I sympathise with those who struggle to conceive but sometimes you just have to accept that such is life.

I think people accept it, it happens, but not everyone likes it and some people with infertility problems would not do it. Surrogacy is a whole different ball game and it's not legal here in England anyway, which doesn't stop people doing it quietly.

To me, it is all representative of people feeling they have the right to have a child at all costs. In years gone by, though it was sad if someone couldn't have children, they accepted that path was not their destiny and found something else on which to focus. A child is not a status symbol and a childless person has as much value as anyone else.

Most embryos in the UK aren't genetically tested so 'viable' just means cells continuing to split for 3+ days.

An embryo being viable is one of many many many necessary steps to a healthy pregnancy.

A 'viable' embryo leads to pregnancy in 40% of cases at best.

Also I know someone who had their second child at 51 through donor eggs.

Their son is 5 now and they are both way too tired to properly parent and don't plan to ever tell him he's not her biological child. It's heartbreaking.

She has major mental health problems to begin with and is a hoarder.

The kids don't even have their own bedrooms.

I think at a bare minimum donor conception should involve a home study just like adoption.

They all failed. We have never destroyed any. They either did not implant, or were miscarried. That is what I was saying really. The two I froze could be babies, or (more likely) would be further, expensive, heartbreak. Like the other twenty something.