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Should I lend DN money?

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7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 15:20

Some background: I don't get on with my DB, we rarely talk (a couple of times a year) and we see each other once every couple of years. We've never been close and are very different. However over the past few years I've become closer with his DD. Let's call her Sarah. Sarah is now 25, works, and lives with her BF in a rented flat.

My DB owns his flat outright (it was our parents' and I was happy for him to have it when they died as I have my own home and don't need the flat or any money from selling it. DB is in a low-paid job although he's very good at managing his money). He's now decided he's moving in with his GF with whom he's been on and off for 3 - 4 years, in a very volative relationship. My DB has offered his DD, Sarah, the flat, saying she and her BF can move in and make it their own (I don't think he'd put Sarah's name on the deeds though).

Sarah is excited at the idea to move in because it's a nicer flat that where she's renting at the moment (same area). DB recently had the place redone including new flooring, new kitchen, etc. However Sarah hates her dad's GF and wants to change the appearance of the flat so it won't have memories of her when Sarah moves in with her BF. I get that can be a 'trigger' but...

Sarah has asked me to lend her some money to do this: last year, when Sarah was hoping to get a mortgage with her BF to buy a place together, she had asked whether I'd be happy to lend them money for the deposit (I said yes because I can afford to and they are both working so hard, I'd like to 'reward' that. Sarah's never asked me for money before and is also very good at saving, like her dad/my DB). Now that there's no need for me to lend her money for a deposit, she'd like to borrow £10,000 to change the look of the flat.

I've explained that:

  • her dad's relationship is very volatile (he's the kind of person who is best friends/madly in love with someone today, and doesn't want to see them again in a couple of months. He's always been like that. Which is also why our relationship has been so up and down) so he's likely to leave his GF and want to move back into the flat in the next year at the latest
  • it's madness to change the kitchen (which is less than a year old), the flooring throughout (just as new) and the bathroom (ditto) because Sarah's dad's GF used to stay over. I suggested painting the walls and changing accessories. It will have a huge impact on the look and feel of the place.
  • If Sarah really wants the money I will lend it to her but I don't agree with what she wants to do with it. However she's an adult and she needs to make her own decisions. I will (try) not to resent how she spends it.

What would you do? I like that Sarah is growing up 'balanced' and not 'disturbed' like her dad. I like that she's working hard and earning fairly well. That she's in a loving relationship (been with her BF for about 7 - 8 years), etc. I suggested moving into the flat, waiting a year or so to see if her dad doesn't ask to move back in, then redecorate. She said that she just can't move in unless the place looks different.

Should I lend her the money? I could afford not to get it back - that's not the point. My question is whether wanting to 'change' the flat and spending £10K to do it is madness even though she would pay me back so it'd eventually be her money she's spending on it. I work hard so £10K is £10K. I would NOT spend it myself to redecorate my place. But I'm happy to help Sarah. But I'm really torn.

AIBU: you're mad - you shouldn't lend Sarah the money
AINBU: she's an adult. Lend her the money.

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GrossEncountersoftheTurdKind · 20/11/2024 15:25

Surely she could just change the wall colours and personalise it with pictures / soft furnishings etc! It's madness to rip things out and start again! Madness! Maybe, if you want to give her something, you could offer a couple of grand to make a few changes, but not 10k!

toomuchfaff · 20/11/2024 15:25

If she was asking for £1k, I'd consider it, but 10k to spend on a flat she doesn't own, with a landlord in a volatile relationship who may decide "I need the flat" at any moment. By all means, make the flat your own, but by that I mean, put up your own textiles, ornaments and such, dress it up. 10k is ridiculous money to be thinking of spending on somewhere she doesn't own.

£1k is enough to make the memory of the trigger GF disappear, everything else she can do over the course of time.

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7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 15:28

Thank you, posters - I don't want to come across as being tight with her but I do think £10K is madness in this case.

@CandidEagle can I ask why you asked that question specifically?

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TielEater · 20/11/2024 15:29

No, that's an enormous waste of money.

fruitbrewhaha · 20/11/2024 15:29

God no. She should not invest £10k in a flat that isn’t hers. Even if her father never wants to move back in he may want to sell it in the future to fund his retirement or similar. Tell her the offer was to help get her on the housing ladder not to go spunk on wallpaper.

Singleandproud · 20/11/2024 15:29

Nope, offer to contribute to her own by putting the money in a LISA for her (max £4k per year) but don't enable her for decoration etc.

amiold · 20/11/2024 15:32

So essentially you'd be putting 10k into a flat you let your brother have, even though you don't get on. She may pay back or you may lose it (which you can afford to). But the person who really benefits here is your brother who could be back in a month from his volatile situation with his gf (who niece doesn't like).

Absolutely not. Tell her to keep saving.

Fireworknight · 20/11/2024 15:33

No, it’s not essential. If she wants to change the kitchen, she needs to save up. That’s part and parcel of having a place.

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Itiswhysofew · 20/11/2024 15:35

I think it would be best for her to continue buying her own property, which you were happy to lend her the deposit for.

I don't think it makes sense to spend that much money on place that isn't even hers, and she may bot even be living in sooner than she imagines, considering DB's track record.

Babbitbaddit · 20/11/2024 15:36

That’s a huge amount of money to spend on a property she has no rights to, and that her dad can kick her out with no notice and her dad will benefit from that work. She needs to know that it’s a silly idea.

Astrak · 20/11/2024 15:36

No. Don't do it, for all the eminently sensible reasons given above.

themonkeysnuts · 20/11/2024 15:37

neither a borrower or lender be
it will just cause hassle

7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 15:38

My other point is that the flat Sarah is in now, is OK, fairly new. So I do feel she's really doing it because she thinks she can. Most people would be happy to just be rent-free. But because she's earning well (and so is her BF) that's not their main thought. Moving into a nicer flat and making it just how they like it it seems, is.

I'm just not sure how to tell her that I don't want to lend her the money because her plans for it are madness. She's maybe too young to realise that - she's earning well and it seems she doesn't realise that if you are earning well you should maybe save/get a pension, rather than spend money unnecessarily. But then some people may look at me and think 'they're young and you're a killjoy'

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That wasn't me - I never posted about this before...

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Pivotting · 20/11/2024 15:38

No if she wants to change the kitchen etc then they need to pay for it themselves. New kitchens, bathrooms etc are a luxury rather than a necessity.. although social media has made everyone think otherwise.

You could offer to pay for furniture if you wanted to help? Or just hold off 5/10 years until they are moving into their ‘forever home’.

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That wasn't me but I guess it shows I'm not alone in this position then!

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Bonbon21 · 20/11/2024 15:41

Crazy to lend/spend that kind of money in that situation.
But you could encourage her to get a proper tenants agreement and even pay a nominal rent to her father to safeguard her rights. If he is as volatile as you suggest she needs to look after herself before she worries anout the colour of the walls!!

Mrsttcno1 · 20/11/2024 15:42

I would say no, and I’d say instead that you’ll give her £X for a house deposit if/when she wants to buy one.

The reality is there’s a huge difference between giving someone money towards a house deposit to help get them on the ladder and giving someone money to waste, which is what this would be really.

And if you’re right about her dad then you could give her the £10k and in a years time she’ll be asking for a deposit for a house again.

Radyward · 20/11/2024 15:43

Dine with friends and do business with strangers.
That's my new favourite saying.
Because you can well afford to ( In Her eyes) she won't rush to pay it back. Don't do it

RandomMess · 20/11/2024 15:44

I too would say no and that money is a lot of money to you and it's earmarked to help her buy a home or similar investment.