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Should I lend DN money?

108 replies

7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 15:20

Some background: I don't get on with my DB, we rarely talk (a couple of times a year) and we see each other once every couple of years. We've never been close and are very different. However over the past few years I've become closer with his DD. Let's call her Sarah. Sarah is now 25, works, and lives with her BF in a rented flat.

My DB owns his flat outright (it was our parents' and I was happy for him to have it when they died as I have my own home and don't need the flat or any money from selling it. DB is in a low-paid job although he's very good at managing his money). He's now decided he's moving in with his GF with whom he's been on and off for 3 - 4 years, in a very volative relationship. My DB has offered his DD, Sarah, the flat, saying she and her BF can move in and make it their own (I don't think he'd put Sarah's name on the deeds though).

Sarah is excited at the idea to move in because it's a nicer flat that where she's renting at the moment (same area). DB recently had the place redone including new flooring, new kitchen, etc. However Sarah hates her dad's GF and wants to change the appearance of the flat so it won't have memories of her when Sarah moves in with her BF. I get that can be a 'trigger' but...

Sarah has asked me to lend her some money to do this: last year, when Sarah was hoping to get a mortgage with her BF to buy a place together, she had asked whether I'd be happy to lend them money for the deposit (I said yes because I can afford to and they are both working so hard, I'd like to 'reward' that. Sarah's never asked me for money before and is also very good at saving, like her dad/my DB). Now that there's no need for me to lend her money for a deposit, she'd like to borrow £10,000 to change the look of the flat.

I've explained that:

  • her dad's relationship is very volatile (he's the kind of person who is best friends/madly in love with someone today, and doesn't want to see them again in a couple of months. He's always been like that. Which is also why our relationship has been so up and down) so he's likely to leave his GF and want to move back into the flat in the next year at the latest
  • it's madness to change the kitchen (which is less than a year old), the flooring throughout (just as new) and the bathroom (ditto) because Sarah's dad's GF used to stay over. I suggested painting the walls and changing accessories. It will have a huge impact on the look and feel of the place.
  • If Sarah really wants the money I will lend it to her but I don't agree with what she wants to do with it. However she's an adult and she needs to make her own decisions. I will (try) not to resent how she spends it.

What would you do? I like that Sarah is growing up 'balanced' and not 'disturbed' like her dad. I like that she's working hard and earning fairly well. That she's in a loving relationship (been with her BF for about 7 - 8 years), etc. I suggested moving into the flat, waiting a year or so to see if her dad doesn't ask to move back in, then redecorate. She said that she just can't move in unless the place looks different.

Should I lend her the money? I could afford not to get it back - that's not the point. My question is whether wanting to 'change' the flat and spending £10K to do it is madness even though she would pay me back so it'd eventually be her money she's spending on it. I work hard so £10K is £10K. I would NOT spend it myself to redecorate my place. But I'm happy to help Sarah. But I'm really torn.

AIBU: you're mad - you shouldn't lend Sarah the money
AINBU: she's an adult. Lend her the money.

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · 20/11/2024 18:37

Sounds like the decor was more her dad than the gf anyway. Doesn't really seem rational. It's not an investment in her own place but someone's else's, and she could be asked to leave whenever. A contract with her dad as to how long she can stay might be good.

reesiespieces · 20/11/2024 18:39

Only lend money that you can afford to never see again.

10k is ridiculous

Moveoverdarlin · 20/11/2024 18:42

I’d give her a house warming present of £1000 and that’s her lot. She’s living rent free and wants 10k to redo the flat because it’s triggering, of a woman she doesn’t like! Fucking hell. She’s taking the piss. Paint the rooms, new pictures, new rugs, nice new cushions and some vases of flowers should do it. 10k!!??

sometimesmovingforwards · 20/11/2024 18:43

I’d gift her a couple tubs of dulux, a roller and a Saturday afternoon of my time to help, preferably one that’s raining out and I have no other plans.

Thevelvelletes · 20/11/2024 18:59

It screams entitlement to blow 10G on something that doesn't need changing and that says to me she has no value of money.

LBFseBrom · 20/11/2024 19:17

toomuchfaff · 20/11/2024 15:25

If she was asking for £1k, I'd consider it, but 10k to spend on a flat she doesn't own, with a landlord in a volatile relationship who may decide "I need the flat" at any moment. By all means, make the flat your own, but by that I mean, put up your own textiles, ornaments and such, dress it up. 10k is ridiculous money to be thinking of spending on somewhere she doesn't own.

£1k is enough to make the memory of the trigger GF disappear, everything else she can do over the course of time.

I agree.

XWKD · 20/11/2024 19:22

Spending 10K decorating her father's flat that he'll probably want back is money down the drain.

ichifanny · 20/11/2024 19:32

She shouldn’t need you to help with a deposit either if she’s not having to pay a mortgage or rent in her dads house , she can save that up herself .

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 20/11/2024 19:32

She won't value it because she hasn't worked for it or saved it up.

GOODCAT · 20/11/2024 19:47

I assume she will buy a place in future and would hold onto the £10k until she is ready to buy

JanefromLondon1 · 20/11/2024 19:54

If she's do great at saving why does she need to borrow ££ from you?

Changeyourfuckingcar · 20/11/2024 19:59

She sounds like she has the sense of a wet flannel. She’s not some super inexperienced kid, she’s 25 years old, why on earth does she think moving into her dad’s flat is a good idea at all, given their relationship?! She sounds very much like she thinks the world owes her, her dad owes her a flat, you owe her a HUGE amount of money as a ‘loan’… expecting a whole new refurb on a flat because someone she didn’t like used to stay that is, frankly, pathetic and to expect it instantly rather than waiting and saving is so entitled!

Naunet · 20/11/2024 20:16

Absolutely not! You don't get handed ten grand just because you don't like your dad's girlfriend, how bloody spoilt! She should be grateful she's basically been gifted a house, if she's that hard working she can save up and pay for it to be redecorated herself, just like everyone else does. Also, it's not 'triggering for God sake, there's no trauma here, just entitlement.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 20/11/2024 20:22

Agree not to lend her the money. The deposit was intended as an investment in her future. Redecorating for the sake of it is money down the drain, and could negatively affect her future if your circumstances change and you're unable to help her with a deposit

TankFlyBossW4lk · 20/11/2024 20:26

You've condoning really silly behaviour. She been given a huge amount and she's borrowing 10k from you, for a ridiculously frivolous reason. I guess you have your own reasons why you're happy with her going to you and not her dad.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/11/2024 20:26

As a few of you said, agreeing to lending them money for a deposit on a place, doesn't mean I'm an ATM. A deposit is a completely different type of helping hand than £10K to redecorate a place that doesn't need redecorating in the first place

Exactly, OP - and sorry, but if you lent her £10k for this "instead of" the home deposit she'd probably be back for that too

Suggest the repainting to "remove the memories" but otherwise I'd leave well alone

ainkeepsfalling · 20/11/2024 20:35

You're right, she's mad to want to spend all that money changing it for the sake of it, and no I wouldn't lend her that sort of money to do so. It's just wasteful.

I'd probably offer to give her £1000 to decorate and get some new accessories.

Thevelvelletes · 20/11/2024 20:46

Personally I find £1000 moving in gift overly generous.
I'd think most of us when starting out did a bit at a time as money allowed not instant show home.

Createausername1970 · 20/11/2024 20:53

Agreed with the majority. £10K is ridiculous for cosmetic improvements to a property she doesn't own.

I would say you haven't changed your mind about lending her £10K, it's still there for her as a deposit when it's needed in the future.

7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 21:17

TankFlyBossW4lk · 20/11/2024 20:26

You've condoning really silly behaviour. She been given a huge amount and she's borrowing 10k from you, for a ridiculously frivolous reason. I guess you have your own reasons why you're happy with her going to you and not her dad.

Her dad doesn't have any money. He can make ends meet but that's about it.

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DoYouReally · 20/11/2024 21:19

I'm really hoping that Sarah is naive rather than a very silly CF.

Objectively-

  1. She asked you for a large sum of money - extremely cheeky

  2. She sees no problem spending your money on something that provides no long term gain - would she do it with her own?

  3. The fact that she thinks it's a good use of money - beyond stupid

  4. She earns well - but has no savings

  5. She doesn't seem to appreciate the position she is in, I.e. no rent

  6. She appears to have no insight into the fact she's only in this fortunate position because you already sacrificed your share in the property.

Sarah seems far to under appreciate her request and has limited financial acumen.

I won't give her a penny until she matures and becomes financially educated.

7inchesFromTheMiddaySun · 20/11/2024 21:21

I'm glad I wasn't being mean by thinking £10K to redecorate a place for the above reasons is mad and stupid. I'll explain that while I was happy to lend her money for a deposit, this is just an unnecessary expense and if she really wants to change the look and feel of the place then a lick of paint and some new accessories will be more than enough. And then they can save up for anything else they want to do to the place.

I didn't buy a place until I was 28 and until then the places I was renting (I was in London) where rather unsavoury. But that's what I could afford because I was saving hard for a deposit. I'm not saying everyone has to deprive themselves of all fun in order to save up, but there's a middle ground and I'm glad the majority here seems to be on the same page as I am.

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healthybychristmas · 20/11/2024 22:46

I'm really glad you've decided not to do it. I'm actually really shocked that they asked you. They would be in there paying no rent so could easily pay £1000 per month between them to do it up if they wanted to. If her dad came back in a year's time then she certainly wouldn't want to repay £10,000 and I imagine her boyfriend wouldn't be seen for dust if she did. Maybe she needs to be reminded of that as well. If you do give her any money in the future I would make sure it was marked for her and not for them.

It would be really good if she could see how entitled her and her boyfriend's behaviour had been. Neither of them are coming out of this well at all.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 20/11/2024 22:53

I'd tell her to save up for what she wa to. Too many people wanting things "now" instead of saving. Real bad to get I to this habit. Lunacy to spend this amount anyway on a rental.

BeensOnToost · 20/11/2024 22:57

Giving her any money wouldn't be helping her. She is going to live rent free and will have about £1k spare per month compared to other adults because she has no big monthly bill. Plenty to save and make changes. Lending or giving her any money would be wild.

As a solid adult in her life you need to role model No.