Should we be worried about war

[Seasidesand76]

Seen a lot in the news about Ukraine using USA missiles against Russia. I've been thinking more along the lines that it won't start a WW3 and will resolve at some point without the UK getting directly involved in war. But there seems to be more and more tension and threats of an all out war recently.

Should we be worried about WW3? I haven't been prepping or anything but does make me wonder if I should start getting a few days worth of food in case. At the same time I don't want to go down the prepper hole and start getting over the top.

Not just a Russian problem.

The US has had to re-invent components for maintaining and refurbishing it's own warheads. The US managed to forget how to produce one element necessary for some types of warhead and had to figure it out all over again (look up "Fogbank").

A weird comment in the context of my post.

In the context of the thread there are plenty of Putin apologists that need things spelled out, because I'm sure that some of them would forgive Putin using a low yield nuclear device.

Who is a Putin apologist?

Be very clear please.

You really haven't noticed them in this thread?

All these people saying Ukraine should roll over and accommodate Russian demands.

What good will worrying do? I’ve got enough going on in day to day life without that to deal with. Sure, I could put some cans of beans in the garage but if sh1t hits the fan it doesn’t do any good.

What is life like now for normal Russians? Only 4 years ago they were thriving in sports, the arts, education, business.. I remember my DS being advised to take Russian in Secondary school when he started as he was told it would be a very useful language for trade etc in the future..

Russia used have top athletes, swimmers, figure & speed skaters, gymnasts... Now they are all banned from competing internationally for Russia is their any motivation to continue or for parents to encourage their children to persue high level sports?

They were world leaders culturally through ballet & literature..

What does the future hold for millions of Russians who had very bright prospects a few years ago & are opposed to any war?

Ok, I’ve zero interest in those people.

This is like someone recommending a history lesson from Hitler in 1938. Shame on you.

Yes the young Russians have had their futures ripped away. Living standards are very low. They have lost so many young men. This war will impact them for decades if they ever recover.

Well, a million of them have left (mostly young and educated), and another half million (young males) have been killed or wounded.

But Putin isn't going to be toppled any time soon, those opposed to him have simply left the country and those who haven't keep their opinions to themselves, as they know full well what happens to anyone who expresses dissent. So you have a country where the remaining population are fully supportive of the war, venerate their leader, and where the economy is doing great thanks to the war effort (and bloody Germany still buying their gas).

I must admit I missed their gymnasts at the Paris Olympics. It's frightening how prospects have changed for their youth & all the young men who have died unnecessarily.
The Ukranians have my upmost support but I really feel for the Russian youth who are anti war & have no way out. As a country prior to the war they were excelling on many stages, also in education. How dare Putin wipe out their bright futures & that of the Ukranian youth also.
Due to censorship & propoganda we will never really now the extent of how life has changed for normal working & middle class Russians.

Indeed....although the US has the transparency, resources (and lack of graft) to stay on top of these issues, at least to the point of maintaining a functional nuclear arsenal. Russia perhaps not so much.

I am happy to hear so many have left. They are a robust, proud, intelligent people similar to the Ukranians. So horrific that so many young Russian & Ukranian men have lost their lives.

The young Russians who have been killed have mostly come from desperately impoverished areas in the East and North. Read up on how surprised they were when they got to Ukraine and found every road was tarmaced, and every house had a washing machine and TV and broadband.

The young, educated Russians in Moscow and St Petersburg have left the country en masse. So many young Russians in Germany, Finland, Czechia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Turkey now. Of course Putin has now declared that anyone leaving Russia is guilty of "voluntary surrender" and gets 15 years in the gulag.

😂😂😂

Yet to read the full 20 pages so no doubt I will be repeating the sentiment of others, but WTAF is this misogyny about SAHMs? Seriously do better.

As for the escalation thing. It's a worry, but Russia have been using this threat for nearly 3 years. I'm hoping that China will pull them into line if they look like they might go down the tactical (or strategic) nuke route. No one wants to rule a world under nuclear winter, no one wins.

My heart goes out to Ukraine who are holding back the, albeit rusty, Russian war machine and I'm glad Biden is giving them a last boost before Trump does whatever he does for his own ego.

Edited to add I'm sick of old men sending other people's children to die for their own ends.

The language around this part of the conflict certainly seems to be escalating. I keep hoping that ordinary Russians will despair at the loss of life and rise up against Putin but he has such an iron grip on them..also he has convinced many of them that attacking Ukraine is another noble war against Nazis.

the news reporting reminds me of the news reports at the start of the film Threads, the gradual escalation of the language used.

Yes @desidi i thought that too

Russia’s fearmongering and propaganda is extensive and effective, with results evidence across social media including on mumsnet.
There is a bottomless pit of money and digital tools to push these fears of nuclear war in order to reach the goal of winning the war in Ukraine. Don’t underestimate how effective it is. Now’s the time to put up defences to this propaganda, step back and be conscious about where the information influencing you is coming from. Is the majority from social media or from trusted and credible and considered sources?

It’s hard as fear makes people desperate for information - any info, any theory!! - and social media propaganda swells to meet this need.

You think a few days of food is going to help you much if there is a world war?

I think we’ll go to war - or be nuked. Putin in on the verge of losing everything but it’s his pride he’s more concerned about so i reckon he will realise he’s got thing else to lose and push either one of those buttons - I hope if it’s between those two, it’s the former. Hope not tho of course.

Yes I feel as if he’s being underestimated or at least judged by those who have certain standards, limits and morals and are projecting and forming assumptions based on that when he’s actually I assume very different to the majority of us. He hasn’t got to where he is being a reasonable man and with the huge nuclear arsenal he has at his disposal and his let’s say , personality type - I think that there is a very real threat.

I feel that the risk for tactical nuclear weapon use is so high and it won’t then escalate into MAD - wherever he chose to use them other countries would condemn it but urge restraint and no escalation. Even if he hit a NATO member with 1 or 2 tactical weapons it would not then be a case that NATO would nuke the whole of Russia and he knows that . They’d take a huge step back and dress it up as avoiding WW3 and wherever had been hit would be a sacrifice to that greater cause sadly.

It’s called escalate to de-escalate.

Beyond the rhetoric, diplomatic channels remain open, and will be working feverishly.

Putin may launch a large conventional strike on Kyiv as a demonstration, but that’s it. He will bide his time for Trumps inauguration.