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AIBU?

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Is neighbour overstepping?

98 replies

Hereforthekickz · 18/11/2024 23:43

I have posted previously about my elderly Dads recent accident. Just to recap….
Dad had a fall 5 months ago and ended up in and out of ICU as he suffered a severe brain injury. He has a female neighbour who he has lived next door to for years. She is the same age as Dad (78). They didn’t have much to do with each other but had polite conversation.

When I went to his house after the accident she had pushed a note through the letter box as she was concerned she hadn’t seen him so I explained the situation and we exchanged telephone numbers in case something happened at his house.

Since then she has been messaging me often or calling. She is nice enough but I am starting to feel a bit uncomfortable. Myself and Dad are private people and Dad has lost mental capacity. I am not sure he would want her knowing his personal situation and he has said in the past that she can be nosy and interfering.

I feel like I have told her too much about Dads situation without thinking. I guess I was grateful for any support in the beginning. In the beginning, she kept saying she would be very upset if he went in a nursing home and that he should be at home but she didn’t understand the situation and that Dad would not be safe at home. I really felt like this was none of her business and her comments made me angry. She messaged me often asking how Dad was.

She went to visit him with her daughter in the nursing home last week. I was really surprised by this and I don’t know her daughter at all. She called me to tell me they both cried after seeing him and her daughter said “don’t worry Mum, I will never put you in a home”. I didn’t like this comment as again, I had no choice. He is too ill to be at home and I felt like I had to explain myself to her.

She is visiting him again before Christmas and she has bought sweets for the staff.

She asked me what was happening to his council house and then kept saying “you can’t give it up as he will be moving back in the future” (He will never be able to move back).

When she visited the home, she told staff he needed speech therapy and staff told her that I was dealing with it as his advocate.

Now don’t get me wrong, part of me thinks she is kind and is concerned about my Dad but another part of me is concerned that she is overstepping and getting too involved. She doesn’t understand the full situation and she doesn’t need to but she is giving advice and asking about things that have nothing to do with her. I don’t need her to watch his house as I am there often checking his mail.

The gas safety man came to my Dads the other day to check his boiler and her daughter went out and told him there was no point checking it because he was in a nursing home, I know it sounds like I am being difficult but I didn’t want him knowing. I was aware and was dealing with it via the council.

AIBU? Should I be grateful for her concern and stop being paranoid?

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ItGhoul · 19/11/2024 12:46

In the beginning, she kept saying she would be very upset if he went in a nursing home and that he should be at home but she didn’t understand the situation and that Dad would not be safe at home

She went to visit him with her daughter in the nursing home last week. I was really surprised by this and I don’t know her daughter at all. She called me to tell me they both cried after seeing him and her daughter said “don’t worry Mum, I will never put you in a home”.

I would be utterly fucking livid if someone said that to me in relation to my dad (who is also in a care home). That is SO insensitive and unkind. She is a horrible woman.

Your father barely had anything to with this neighbour, beyond polite small talk as a neighbour, when he was fit and well. In fact, he found her nosy and interfering. They weren't friends in any sense. It's only now that he's unwell, and she can feed off the emotional drama and pretend to be his guardian angel, that she's suddenly acting like she's his best friend. She's a trauma leech who gets a kick out of getting involved in this sort of thing - she's doing all this for herself, not for your dad.

She's massively overstepping and you would be well within her rights to tell her to back off and block her number. I would also have a word with your dad's care team about her so they know that she shouldn't be trying to inveigle herself into his care plan/treatment.

I'm sorry this woman is making an already difficult situation worse for you, and I'm sorry you're going through all this with your dad.

LIZS · 19/11/2024 13:05

How did she know where to find him and why did staff let her visit? Her daughter is presumably a relative stranger. Her feedback was uncalled for and unnecessary, as is their interference with the house. Unless there is an issue with the property or security try not to engage further and turn the conversation onto her. She may be well-intentioned but sounds over invested and unhinged.

Waterboatlass · 19/11/2024 13:26

I think the bottom line is to try and ascertain how your dad is taking the visits. If a familiar face is providing a bit of variety and you can try and manage her talking about him leaving etc, try and let her carry on. It sounds relatively infrequent. If it's upsetting him, tell her to stop. If you can, I would put your feelings to one side as he may appreciate it even if she isn't the company he would ideally choose.

EssentiallyItsTrue · 19/11/2024 13:48

I think this would annoy me too. I'm not sure it's worth giving it as much head space as you have been giving it though.

It sounds like you've engaged with her too much and , whilst not purposely encouraging her, it's resulted in her being more involved than she should be.
Just tell her that it's family only for visits and then just stop giving her information and replying to her.

Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 15:45

@EssentiallyItsTrue I have to admit that I have given her too much information. It’s only months down the line that I have started to realise that I made a mistake.

I have learned so many lessons during the last 5 months and I am grateful for that.

When the accident happened she saw me up and Dads house and was showing concern. What did raise eyebrows was that she spoke as if she and my Dad were great friends. Saying things like “Oh I know your Dad and he would’ve done this or that”. She also mentioned about my Mum (they are divorced but get along well) insinuating that Dad spoke to her about my Mum (saying that he moaned about her to his neighbour). I don’t believe it for a minute and thought it was an odd thing to say.

Think I have learned another lesson and I won’t continue to engage her.

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Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 15:50

@Waterboatlass its a tricky one because his brain injury was so severe he doesn’t know who anyone is so I don’t know if it’s a familiar face. Mine might be but I doubt her face is familiar to him. He can’t walk and it’s only me that understands him. He is regularly agitated due to the injury so it’s difficult to know what effect her visit has had. He has only had 1 visit from her so it’s not a regular thing.

It’s the messages and calls to me that I can do without. She seems to feel she needs to be involved and she doesn’t.

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Comff · 19/11/2024 15:56

She’s a drama vampire. She doesn’t have a relationship with him, she’s just involved because there’s drama to be sucked up.

Wendolino · 19/11/2024 15:56

YANBU
She is overstepping the mark. There is a difference between being neighbourly and interfering. Could she have had any intentions of a relationship with your dad? It sounds like she's acting as though they are either in a relationship, or related.
You are going to have to put her straight. Tell her everything is in hand, you are his next of kin, and you don't need anyone speaking on your dad's behalf. It will be a difficult conversation but best done with.

Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 15:56

@ItGhoul your comment made me laugh and really resonated with me.

Sorry to hear about your Dad. It’s so hard without someone you don’t really know making you feel guilty for not bringing Dad home. I even tried to explain why he couldn’t go home but she didn’t listen and repeated the same thing again weeks later. I feel so stupid for letting her in and sharing information with her. I just needed some support I guess.

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RosieFlamingo · 19/11/2024 16:02

I think with her wanting him to move back, is it because she doesn't want him to give up the house because she would get new neighbours which will probably not be as quiet as your dad.
I wonder if that is why she is trying to get more info about his condition etc.

Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 16:03

@Wendolino I have considered if they were having a relationship! Just because she seems to know Dad well. She told me she had a key for his house but didn’t know the code for the alarm. Of course, I didn’t divulge this! I am not sure I believe her. Why have a key then not know how to turn the alarm off!?? My Dad told me she was nosy. She has a dog and she use to let it through the back gate and into my Dads garden. It use to come in his house and it drove him mad. I think he had words with her. My Dad wasn’t a walk over for anyone.

I think I would have known if they were having a relationship. There were no signs of one.

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Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 16:07

@RosieFlamingo yes you may be right. She did ask about it when she called the other day. She asked me how I felt about him being in a home and something just clicked with me. I didn’t like the question at all and asked her what she meant by it. She went quiet and tried to pretend she hadn’t heard me. Then back tracked and asked what was happening with the house (council owned). I cut the call short as something didn’t feel right to me.

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Victoriancat · 19/11/2024 16:12

Trying to get on his will I think

Bigcat25 · 19/11/2024 16:17

She was way out of line letting the serviceman know the house is empty. That could make his home a target for a break in. What an idiot, I would talk to her about that.

ladyofshertonabbas · 19/11/2024 16:23

I voted YABU as she just sounds like a classic annoying person/neighbour who doesn't really get what to say and what not to say/ do. Can you just ignore her messages and reply as little as poss? And it's better to have an annoying visitor than no visitor at all, surely?

MotherJessAndKittens · 19/11/2024 16:23

It sounds like she thinks she is being helpful but isn’t. It is not her place to make any comments on his treatment or whether he goes home or not. Nor is it up to her or Daughter to speak to tradesmen who are your responsibility. Maybe just have yes no thank you replies to her.

fatphalange · 19/11/2024 16:31

Completely agree with you.

JawsCushion · 19/11/2024 16:34

She might care but they are massively over stepping. The daughter saying that about the boiler. Outrageous. Tell the care home to stop visits and tell her nothing. Block her number. YANBU.

Hereforthekickz · 19/11/2024 16:37

Just checked my messages and this is what she sent a couple of weeks ago

All i want is for him to be happy but i would like him back home hope you are keeping well take care of yourself xx❤❤

She is overstepping but I am putting a stop to it now. She maybe kind and thoughtful but it’s too much for me.

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JawsCushion · 19/11/2024 16:38

Why would she like him back home?

dinopants23 · 19/11/2024 16:52

I think there's some truth in what a pp said about her voicing her own insecurity and vulnerability. She's seen it happen to your dad and might be thinking that's her future too.

Could also be that she's bored, lonely and nosey. Or maybe they chatted more than your dad let on. Either way it would still grate on me. It's not her place and she is stressing you out at a time when you don't need it.

I would disengage. Don't reply to messages, don't answer the phone, don't fall into the trap of having to feel you need to explain yourself. Her opinion is nothing to do with you.

SalsaLights · 19/11/2024 16:52

Time to be a bit firmer whilst being polite.

Your concern is appreciated, but Dad's care is my responsibility. I'm sure you understand that I'm not going to discuss this with people who are not family.

If she visits and talks a load of shit then pull her up.

Janet, I've been told by the staff at the nursing home that you and Liz have made comments about Dad needing to go home and asking them to arrange for speech therapy. Whilst it's lovely that you both want to see him, I'd ask that you please step back as his care and where he is cared for is my responsibility.

Whohasnickedthesellotape · 19/11/2024 16:54

I think there's projection going on between neighbour and her daughter about nursing homes. She should have not mentioned anything to the boiler people that your DF isn't there - who now know the house is empty. You have an alarm - maybe security lights on a timer in the house now it's winter?

If it's a council house and he's in a nursing home long term what happens about the empty house? Maybe she wants him back home because she's anxious at the thought of new neighbours moving in, and ones who rightly wouldn't want her dog in their garden?

OutVileJelly1 · 19/11/2024 17:03

I dont think she means anything by those comments, as hurtful as they must be for you - I like to think she was just being silly and not thinking

I do wonder though - you admit he wont be going back to his Council house, why are you keeping hold of it?

OutVileJelly1 · 19/11/2024 17:04

JawsCushion · 19/11/2024 16:38

Why would she like him back home?

Maybe she is concerned about a change of neighbours. As the place has been defined as a house, i would think a family will be moving in - and a lot more noise will be happening

We had it recently had an elderly neighbour who we had lived next door to for many years, move out - and a family moved in and it is very different now