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To feel depressed about In Laws again

86 replies

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:25

For background, DH and I have been married for 15 years and have three children.

Last year his father died. His parents didn’t have a happy marriage. He has 2 female siblings late 40s. One lives with his mum in the family home and the other lives in the house next door that the mum owns. Neither contributes financially and both work minimum wage jobs part time. The sisters have never had long term partners and do not have children. We’ve had problems with his older sister over the years too. She is envious of our financial independence and uninterested in our children.

Mother in law has been emotionally abusive since DH and I first moved in together. It got worse when our first child was born, and she was out of control when we got married.

She has caused so much stress and drama over the years and this used to have a very negative effect on our marriage. I had stress and anxiety when I was pregnant and when our babies were born because she wouldn’t stop grasping at them and DH, trying to control our family unit. She dislikes me and has said horrible things about me to the wider family. She is cruel and petty and once slapped me while I was holding my baby because I wouldn’t hand her over.

Typically she uses the silent treatment and sends her daughters in as flying monkeys. She is always a victim and emotional immature. Unable to have conversations to resolve things - I have tried in the past but I’m framed as the villain who wants to upset her.

We moved further away (used to live 5 mins away and now live an hour away). That helped and MIL no longer turns up unannounced all the time. We’ve maintained a civil relationship but there’s no trust or depth. It’s quite draining to spend time with them. DH’s eldest sister is an unhappy person - lovely to our faces but very duplicitous. For example, in the year before FIL died she had a will drawn up for him to exclude DH and his grandchildren. She and her sister would be sole beneficiaries. FIL wouldn’t sign it but she tried hard over a long period of time. MIL and the younger SIL were aware.

Now it’s been a year since FIL died and MIL and eldest SIL seem to want to cut DH out again, but instead of being upfront about it they have cut us out of the family by refusing to talk to us or see us for the past 6 months. They’ve also seemingly turned the wider family against us.

They say they are hurt by DH (he got frustrated with them last year when talking about tax planning for MIL estate and shouted) Essentially they will face a huge IHT bill when MIL dies but they don’t want to plan for it. DH knows he’ll have to deal with it MIL dies and one SIL will have to sell home to pay the tax.

MIL says she wants space and not ready to talk to DH. He’s apologised of course but her actions feels like an excuse to keep DH at arms length to justify leaving him out of any inheritance. We are not reliant on or waiting for inheritance and have never talked to MIL about her will.

Every time a special occasion comes around I feel we should make an effort to try and spend time with them, for the children to have a relationship with their only grandparent and aunts (my parents are both dead and I have one brother).

Christmas is coming and I’m trying to maintain some contact with MIL with calls and texts, but she can’t wait to get off the phone and keeps telling me how busy she is - almost preemptively telling me she doesn’t have time to see grandchildren.

I just want to feel at peace but I’m finding it difficult. It doesn’t sit well with me that the kids have effectively lost a relationship with DH’s family so I feel I need to try and salvage things (though it’s proving almost impossible with only one interested party). On the other hand, I completely disagree with the way they have behaved and want to protect DC (and us) from their negative energy and emotional manipulation. Our DC are teens now and I expect MIL will soon start giving them the silent treatment when/if she deems they haven’t visited her or called her enough. Though she would have to re-establish a relationship with them first after missing birthdays and other special occasions this year.

Even though we haven’t seen them for 6 months we’re still feeling sad and know nothing will change unless we keep tip toeing around and apologising and almost begging forgiveness.

OP posts:
Mandylovescandy · 18/11/2024 11:31

I think you should stop making any effort. They don't add anything positive to your lives and are abusive.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:47

They add sadness and stress. It’s always negative feelings.

We doubt ourselves and I constantly wonder whether I should be doing more to maintain a grandparent relationship in DC lives. DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt. I fear he’ll have regrets when his DM dies if they haven’t reconciled. She is in her 70s and not healthy.

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CoffeeBeansGalore · 18/11/2024 11:53

Just stop trying. Dh doesn't want a lot of contact with his mother. He had to grow up with this.

She will never be the kindly loving grandmother that you want for your children. Don't leave them open to the hurt she causes.

OAPapparently · 18/11/2024 11:59

You can’t force someone to have a relationship with you.
It sounds like you would be better off without the lots of them.
There is nothing for your DH to regret if MIL dies, she’s the one that is trying to cut you off. You’ve dove all you can to maintain contact.
Push it now and Mil/SILs might end up ruining your Christmas.

LifeExperience · 18/11/2024 12:01

You can't have a good relationship with toxic people. Stop trying. They won't change, and there is nothing you can do about that other than move on.Tell dh to mourn the relationship he wishes he could have had with them, and then let go.

BeeCucumber · 18/11/2024 12:06

Drop the rope. Stop trying to have a relationship with unreasonable people. It never ends well. They don’t add any joy to your lives so why bother with them?

Isyesterdaytomorrowtoday · 18/11/2024 12:07

Just drop the rope.

why are you chasing a relationship you don’t want?

if you mean it that you have no interest in the MILs money then don’t get involved. DH won’t ‘have’ to do anything, if the sisters have to sell a house to pay the IHT bill then so what?

not your circus. Back away and get your DH some good counselling to help him process the toxic relationships and give him the tools to cope for the future.

Nothatgingerpirate · 18/11/2024 12:07

Cut them out.
Weirdos. Living at home at 40, by choice.

User37482 · 18/11/2024 12:08

She slapped you while you were holding your baby, they treat your DH like shit. Honestly why on earth do you want them around your family.

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 18/11/2024 12:09

Back away, stop trying. Just ignore them and their ridiculous drama.

Let them do whatever they like, especially around the estate planning and wills. If she disinherits DH then there's no need for him to be involved in the slightest in trying to sort out any messes they've created. Leave them to it. They'll either sort it out or they won't, either way it's not your problem.

Anyone who slapped me I would never speak to again. If I was holding my baby at the time I'm not sure I'd be responsible for my actions. They'd certainly have left my house, rapidly, even if it meant physically removing them.

Stop exposing yourself to them, they make you miserable, they're not worth the angst.

Doidontimmm · 18/11/2024 12:10

Why would your children want a relationship with these people?

EVHead · 18/11/2024 12:11

Break the cycle - let your children live without their poisonous influence in their lives.

shampooing · 18/11/2024 12:12

You cannot see the wood for the trees. Why on earth do you want to maintain a relationship with these toxic people, and have them anywhere near your children?
That bit is on you, not them.

Are you holding out for the inheritance to try to make up for the time invested in them? If that’s not the case let it go and let them get a tax bill, they are adults and will need to deal with the consequences of their actions or inaction.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

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icallshade · 18/11/2024 12:23

OP, it reads like you don't like them, they don't like you so the only reason I can see that you keep bothering is inheritance (which you've mentioned multiple times).

Stop trying to force a relationship that isn't there, and gently, let it go regarding inheritance. If MIL doesn't want your DH to inherit, rightly or wrongly in your opinion, it is her choice.

harriethoyle · 18/11/2024 12:24

In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do.

If an estate attracts IHT it's over £650k now FIL has gone, at least. That means sisters will get £325 each if DH is disinherited and then 60% over everything over that. That's not very little.

edited to correct my IHT figures

We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

so what? he can tell them to bog off.

Your passivity in the face of appalling behaviour is really irritating. Stop being such a martyr, to these awful people!

Tumbler2121 · 18/11/2024 12:24

What you’re saying about estate planning and tax doesn’t make sense, there is no inheritance tax until over £325,000 so they can’t be left with very little ( unless in your eyes that is very little). Also if inheritance tax is an issue their household may as well spend spend spend instead of give it to the taxman!

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

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BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:30

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:17

Thanks for the replies and advice all. We have no ties to them around the future estate planning, but I know DH has struggled with seeing them spend and essentially throw away what his DF worked hard to build up. In a nutshell they’ll be left with very little if they don’t do any estate planning, whereas they could have security if they do. We also fear they’ll come to DH when the money runs out.

Well, he will have a choice to make then. As he will need to deal with the consequences of his mother bring a difficult parent when she dies. Right now, though, if he’s happy to cut contact, you’re the person creating unnecessary stress for yourself and him because you can’t let go of all the ‘shoulds’ about your children and grandparents. It would be nice if your MIL and SILs were less awful, but they’re not. Just as it would be nice if they made intelligent inheritance plans, but they aren’t. Stop going to the hardware shop and expecting to buy bread!

BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:32

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

There you go again, borrowing trouble. These things are in a hypothetical future. They haven’t happened. There is nothing you can do to stop them happening. Your Dah has tried and failed. All you can do is stop giving any of it headspace.

Cynic17 · 18/11/2024 12:32

Well, why do you want your kids to have contact with such awful people, OP?
Follow your husband's preference on this - always. If he wants to cut contact, then that is the answer. I can't stress how important it is to support him on this.
Cultivate your friends - they are the people who matter, and will be there for your kids. Family isn't always "better", by any means.

LeonoraCazalet · 18/11/2024 12:34

Put your foot down. Claim your territory and ignore the other women. They will only continue in this vein or indeed get worse. Tell husband and say to him you are doing this for your mental health, to save your marriage, and protect your children. You really don't have to put up with any nonsense from extended family. You don't get paid for it, you did not sign a contract for it. Do your thing and do it forcefully.

SeaToSki · 18/11/2024 12:37

You can control what they do or think, you can only control what you do or think.

Right now you are showing your dc that even when people treat you badly, that they should go back time and time again, cap in hand, for more bad treatment.

I would suggest you draw some boundaries for yourself and your dc and hold them. They treat you respectfully or they lose the benefit of your and your dc company/contact. Then they can do, say or threaten what they want, but you cant control it so dont try to.

Maybe talk to your dc in an age appropriate way about families sticking together and not ending up like their aunts. If they then get an unequal inheritance, your dc can chose to level it up themselves. They can control their own actions.

oneeggisunoeuf · 18/11/2024 12:38

I'd have cut contact the moment she slapped me. She, and the SILs, bring nothing good to your life.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 18/11/2024 12:39

You sound like you need to “know you tried”.

I would treat it as a “process” and go through the motions while keeping it breezing and low effort. Knowing I have a “process” means it doesn’t take up as much of my brain space

this is my “framework” for my equivalent relatives

Birthdays
flowers and a card for all their birthdays from the cheaper end of the M&S range.
i send a generic warm toned text and offer a call “if they have time”.
Easter
a selection box or egg from hotel chocolat for about £20. I send a generic warm toned text and offer a call “if they have some time over the weekend”.
christmas
a hamper (M&S or similar) and send a separate card with a short paragraph /news round up about the kids / dog. Nothing heavy.
i do a phone video with the kids (30secs or so) and send Christmas morning as “Christmas is always busy. We are free at X if you want to have a quick call with the kids. If we miss you we can catch up later!”

In between this when we do days out nearby (45min drive or so from them)
i say “we’re going to Leeds castle on the 14th if you want to join us. Understand you might have other plans so if not, no worries” etc

this carries on the pretense and I feel I’ve done my bit

could something like this work?

fwiw I think you’d be perfectly reasonable to go NC their behaviour is appalling