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To feel depressed about In Laws again

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Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 11:25

For background, DH and I have been married for 15 years and have three children.

Last year his father died. His parents didn’t have a happy marriage. He has 2 female siblings late 40s. One lives with his mum in the family home and the other lives in the house next door that the mum owns. Neither contributes financially and both work minimum wage jobs part time. The sisters have never had long term partners and do not have children. We’ve had problems with his older sister over the years too. She is envious of our financial independence and uninterested in our children.

Mother in law has been emotionally abusive since DH and I first moved in together. It got worse when our first child was born, and she was out of control when we got married.

She has caused so much stress and drama over the years and this used to have a very negative effect on our marriage. I had stress and anxiety when I was pregnant and when our babies were born because she wouldn’t stop grasping at them and DH, trying to control our family unit. She dislikes me and has said horrible things about me to the wider family. She is cruel and petty and once slapped me while I was holding my baby because I wouldn’t hand her over.

Typically she uses the silent treatment and sends her daughters in as flying monkeys. She is always a victim and emotional immature. Unable to have conversations to resolve things - I have tried in the past but I’m framed as the villain who wants to upset her.

We moved further away (used to live 5 mins away and now live an hour away). That helped and MIL no longer turns up unannounced all the time. We’ve maintained a civil relationship but there’s no trust or depth. It’s quite draining to spend time with them. DH’s eldest sister is an unhappy person - lovely to our faces but very duplicitous. For example, in the year before FIL died she had a will drawn up for him to exclude DH and his grandchildren. She and her sister would be sole beneficiaries. FIL wouldn’t sign it but she tried hard over a long period of time. MIL and the younger SIL were aware.

Now it’s been a year since FIL died and MIL and eldest SIL seem to want to cut DH out again, but instead of being upfront about it they have cut us out of the family by refusing to talk to us or see us for the past 6 months. They’ve also seemingly turned the wider family against us.

They say they are hurt by DH (he got frustrated with them last year when talking about tax planning for MIL estate and shouted) Essentially they will face a huge IHT bill when MIL dies but they don’t want to plan for it. DH knows he’ll have to deal with it MIL dies and one SIL will have to sell home to pay the tax.

MIL says she wants space and not ready to talk to DH. He’s apologised of course but her actions feels like an excuse to keep DH at arms length to justify leaving him out of any inheritance. We are not reliant on or waiting for inheritance and have never talked to MIL about her will.

Every time a special occasion comes around I feel we should make an effort to try and spend time with them, for the children to have a relationship with their only grandparent and aunts (my parents are both dead and I have one brother).

Christmas is coming and I’m trying to maintain some contact with MIL with calls and texts, but she can’t wait to get off the phone and keeps telling me how busy she is - almost preemptively telling me she doesn’t have time to see grandchildren.

I just want to feel at peace but I’m finding it difficult. It doesn’t sit well with me that the kids have effectively lost a relationship with DH’s family so I feel I need to try and salvage things (though it’s proving almost impossible with only one interested party). On the other hand, I completely disagree with the way they have behaved and want to protect DC (and us) from their negative energy and emotional manipulation. Our DC are teens now and I expect MIL will soon start giving them the silent treatment when/if she deems they haven’t visited her or called her enough. Though she would have to re-establish a relationship with them first after missing birthdays and other special occasions this year.

Even though we haven’t seen them for 6 months we’re still feeling sad and know nothing will change unless we keep tip toeing around and apologising and almost begging forgiveness.

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TheCatterall · 18/11/2024 12:39

@Snowflakefalling why does DH have to magically fix everything when his own DF had a lifetime to sort this out and didn’t and probably enabled/ignored what his wife and daughters were like especially to you and DH.

stop pushing or leaving doors open to people that are toxic and treat you, DH and your children miserably.

Stop with the people pleasing tendencies and think of it as how best to protect your family unit from such nasty people. never mind their feelings. What about yours and DH!

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

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JustWalkingTheDogs · 18/11/2024 12:43

If someone slapped me there's no way on this earth I'd maintain a relationship with them, not to mention that you were holding a newborn!

I'd go no contact tbh and I think your dh should too. Let them get on with it

Cupofcoffeee · 18/11/2024 12:46

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:27

Thinking about this and maybe DH thinks if he can make FIL’s estate secure; make sure MIL and SILs are financially secure, he will have done something for his Dad.

There’s something else I fear but it’s far into the future and may not happen. I worry IL’s will leave uneven inheritance to our DC and cause bad feeling or resentment amongst our children. SIL made a comment about leaving all of her inheritance to our DDs, excluding our DS’s a while back.

Your DH's father has passed away so what his mum and sisters do with the money they inherited is nothing to do with him. He needs to go no contact. If they come crawling back asking your DH for money, then he says no. They're not his responsibility. His own three children are his responsibility.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:49

@LivingLaVidaBabyShower Thanks for the framework. That’s similar to what I’ve done for the last few years, though not as thought through. I guess it’s helpful to have a framework to return to when I’m doubting myself and wondering if I’ve done enough. They send texts on special occasions and turn up if we invite them over for DC birthdays. MIL occasionally invites us over.

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Onlycoffee · 18/11/2024 12:52

DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt
I don't blame him, and I don't understand why you're invalidating this. What more reason do you need, surely self protection is valid enough?
Let alone protection of your DC.

It's not a failure on your behalf that your DC do not have wider family in their lives, it's not that unusual.

Let it go op 💐

TenderChicken · 18/11/2024 12:53

Honestly from what you see just posted, I'm judging you for still speaking to them at all. This woman hit you while you were holding a baby. That should have been game over.

BrunetteHarpy · 18/11/2024 12:54

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 12:40

I’m not thinking very clearly about why I struggle to cut ties completely. Lots of things - it’s that time of year when it feels strange not to see family; they are the little family we have and I wish my DC had more family around them (though I also wish they were better female role models); I don’t want DH to feel guilt when MIL dies (or for his wider family to blame him for her unhappiness in her later life), fear of how/if they will try to manipulate DC in the future

But look at the current reality, OP, not at stuff that might happen in future, or stuff you wish was the case but isn’t. Your MIL and SILs aren’t nice people, aren’t making good financial decisions, and also, crucially, they don’t want the relationship you’re trying to force with your children. You have no idea what may happen with the inheritance, and there’s nothing you can do about it now. What you can do is stop wishing your ILs were lovely and delighted to forge bonds with your children, and I agree with a pp that what you’re currently modelling for your children is that someone can slap and mistreat you, and you’ll still crawl back looking for a relationship.

I suspect much of this is about your sadness your own parents have died. Which is understandable, but you’re actually making your life, your DH’s life, and your children’s lives worse by continually persisting with this folly. The best thing you can do for them, and for you, is to just stop.

Spirallingdownwards · 18/11/2024 12:57

To me it is clear that DH will be cut out of MIL's will and there isn't anything he can do about that. Indeed he won't have to be the one sorting out her estate as he can refuse to be executor especially if he has been written out. Leave the sisters to sort it out.

Go NC and live a happier life.

Gymnopedie · 18/11/2024 13:02

DH is ready to cut all contact but I’m not sure if he is just protecting himself from the hurt.

And why shouldn't he? In the process protecting your children too. Why are you trying to force him to put himself in situations where he experiences nothing but hurt to satisfy some misguided feeling you have to create some kind of mythical wider family?

Butt out and let him take the lead. However you feel, he is far more affected by this than you are.

Quitelikeit · 18/11/2024 13:07

Make an effort?

Look these people are not nice, they don’t want to make an effort with you and don’t seem to value your children at all

Allow your DH to have a relationship with them and let him be the one to communicate with them

You should relieve yourself and f anything to do with them. If you ever see them be polite and civil

There is nothing good to be gained by being with these people

OrchestralRemoversInTheDark · 18/11/2024 13:13

You've mentioned you're worried when MIL dies SIL will have to sell the house to pay IHT, and that SILs may expect to be financially supported by your DH ... but also that you're worried SIL may leave your DSs out of her will. I think you can forget about SIL having any money to give to anyone at the end of the day.

Your DH is happy to cut contract and let the drama go - do the same.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:14

@Gymnopedie By "just protecting himself from the hurt", what I mean to say is that I'm not sure if he's just refusing to process his feelings and bury his head in the sand (because that's sort of what they do in his family). I fear he'll only process his feelings when MIL dies and that he'll have regret.

For context, when FIL died he and DH were not on the best of terms. They hadn't fallen out, but they hadn't been spending a huge amount of time together and DH feels bad about that. FIL died quite suddenly and SIL said some horrible things to DH when he died about DH not having spent any time with FIL, and that my DH had "left them all". She was referring to him having his own family and prioritising DC and I over his parents and siblings.

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thepariscrimefiles · 18/11/2024 13:16

Your MIL slapped you when you were holding a baby. How could you possibly feel guilty about cutting off contact after that?

Just leave them to it. There are no benefits in maintaining a relationship with your MIL or your SILS. They are all horrible people.

ttcat37 · 18/11/2024 13:25

You lost me at her physically assaulting you whilst you were holding your baby yet desperately trying to keep this relationship going for no reason apart from money it seems. A normal person would have had her arrested and cut her out permanently. Protect your child

Bestwishes23 · 18/11/2024 13:27

Anybody who slapped me while I was holding my baby wouldn't get to see us again. Why on earth are you putting in this effort?

ArminTamzerian · 18/11/2024 13:28

I don't get this at all. They're not talking ti you, they're cutting you out? Well Halle fucking lullah, christmas has come early! Take the gift and run.

Boggles the mind that you talk to anyone of them anyway

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:31

@OrchestralRemoversInTheDark It's a coping mechanism. I don't know what's coming and to feel safe, I imagine the worst scenarios in terms of how they could hurt us, and find a solution.

We may never hear from them again or they may decide not to leave anything to DC anyway. It just makes me feel safe to know what's coming. I lost one of my parents when young and this is probably a trauma response.

My irrational fears are that - they haven't broken our family by cutting us out of their lives or (we suspect) disinheriting DH. If we're not as unhappy as them, they will try to hurt us or DC in some other way.

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diddl · 18/11/2024 13:32

Your MIL slapped you?

Wtf?

And you think your kids should have to see her?

Bloody hell.

If my MIL slapped me that would have been the last that either of us ever saw of her.

No GPs are better than shit ones.

Milknosugarta · 18/11/2024 13:33

I would not be giving them headspace at all, never mind getting depressed about them.
Cannot fathom your caring about them, tbh. They are adults and can figure out their own finances and estate planning.
My own mother once slapped me in the face for very little reason, our relationship never really recovered. I went low then eventually years later, no contact. Did not regret it.

Snowflakefalling · 18/11/2024 13:33

To all those who are referring to MIL hitting me, it was 15 years ago and afterwards there was a period where we didn't have them in our lives. The dynamic changed and we were able to keep them at arms length for the first time. We maintained a relationship but on our terms.

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PassingStranger · 18/11/2024 13:34

Mandylovescandy · 18/11/2024 11:31

I think you should stop making any effort. They don't add anything positive to your lives and are abusive.

This.
Just because they are family dosent mean you have to be in contact.
They've shown you what they are like, believe them and let it go.
Just because your related dosent mean you'll get on and like each other.

stillavid · 18/11/2024 13:35

Have you posted about this before - the row over estate planning rings bells.

I would just stop bothering with them and leave them to it.

Your DH trying to lecture them about IHT is not going to go well when it sounds like they arlready have a very tricksy relationship.

Alibababandthe40sheets · 18/11/2024 13:36

There is a lot going on for you @Snowflakefalling you have my sympathies. DH’s family is incredibly difficult and we get a lot of issues with them so I understand to some extent your issues and how difficult they are.

We keep DH’s family largely at an emotional distance. FIL is by any standards a narc and the family are largely estranged from him but MIL has a lot of issues too. To be honest they all do including DH as growing up in those environments impacts everyone.

Can you afford to let the money thing slide or is that really important for you? Everyone is different in that regard I know DH’s other sibling will be furious if she doesn’t inherit for her own pretty valid reasons.

In your situation though I would say to you that you are playing a part in the dynamic too. Can you drop the rope or is there something deeper going on for you? It is common in dysfunctional families that people try to paper over the cracks of the dysfunction to preserve relationships but there has to come a point in time where you stop doing that if it is harmful to your emotional wellbeing. Did you grow up with some dysfunction too in your home. Often if you were taught in childhood to enable dysfunction then you go on to do it in adult relationships.

It is worth exploring why you are so invested in fixing this for your DH’s family. They don’t deserve your energy.

Lastly obviously they really resent you, let them, they have reasons for their resentment, valid or not, that you don’t need to fix for them.

Some people are not capable of making themselves happy or taking responsibility for their own happiness as adults, you just focus on taking responsibility for your own happiness and for your own family and let them do it their way.

Hoppinggreen · 18/11/2024 13:43

some relationships aren't worth having, these people are cruel and toxic and you should be avoiding rather than encouraging contact between them and your children.
I appreciate that with only a small family of your own you are hesitant to lose this family no matter how awful they are (MIL assaulted you!!!) but really, they offer no positive contribution and you should be happy that they don't want contact with you - many people in similar situations would be glad of it