To think the tactics of CBR UK are disgusting? Trigger warning - pro life.

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

I've been seething since Saturday when I encountered the organisation CBR UK on one of the busiest parts of our town centre.

CBR UK are a fundamental pro-life organisation claiming to have the interests of women traumatised by abortion at heart. Actually their roots are in the US and are underpinned by fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

Their way of educating and supporting women is to display 6 x 8 feet technicolor pictures of the aftermath of abortion in full view of women and children to get their point across.

A look at their Facebook page will prove to you I am not making this up. They place a warning sign ahead if the images, and also warn that they live film their activities, but it's obviously lip service.

They hand out leaflets and try to engage people

I challenged one of the very smug beatific older woman and suggested they must really hate women, but no, it's because they love and want to protect us apparently. And "God" - which slipped out as I took my leave and she called out God bless you. To which I responded how dare you bring God into this - and her parry was - why do you hate him that much?

Anyway, I'm posting this to make you aware that you might come up against this while doing your Christmas shopping.

Whatever your views on abortion, (Mine are pro choice and pro it's noone else's Goddamn business except a woman and her doctor) can we agree that this kind of "awareness raising" is almost psychological terrorism and should not be on our high streets in such graphic forms?

Women who have been rated, suffered traumatic medical miscarriages and are possibly accompanied by curious children don't need this shit rubbed in their faces while doing their Christmas shopping - or at any time.

AIBU?

I wonder what their solution is then? Drag us all back to the dark times of illegal terminations ,down some back street at the hands of random women who thought they would make a few bob ? Due to recovery from Cancer .have been resting, and watching episodes of "Call The Midwife" Horrendous scenes of women dying ,being made barren ,awful infections . Our town centre moved them out of the Abortion Clinic as they were upsetting the women there

ironic @Annabella92 that you’re horrified about a baby being grown in a fake womb ergo having no mum and dad but you don’t give a shit about the many babies born into foster care should abortion be outlawed

It’s hard to understand totally illogical gibberish TBF

I had an abortion as a teen. I was sexually abused by a relative. It was such a traumatic time in general that I don't know how many weeks pregnant I was, I believe it was classed as a late term abortion, and I had to go to a specialist clinic in London as my local hospital couldn't do the procedure
I knew the abortion was the only solution, I had to have it. I don't regret it as such, but am sad about the whole thing. It's hard to explain.

Anyway. I came to terms with what happened. Until I made the mistake of watching a documentary (I think it was called The Silent Scream) about what happens during a late term abortion. Then I was retraumatised. All the emotions I'd buried came back. It was horrendous. I had therapy and learned to live with it at it were.

If I were to be confronted with those images it would retraumatise me again. There's no need for them at all.

And to the PP who said its not health care, it was for me. I'd probably have either died from trying to abort the baby myself, or killed myself.

Yeah, more solid rebuttal there, Annabella. I understood you from your very first post on the subject and I'm only surprised it took this long for the mask to slip, given it wasn't very good to start with.

There is no contradiction in your final sentence. If having children is now a choice where it wasn't before it does make that policy possible in a way it wasn't before - it can also reduce state dependents. Both can be true. 2 child cap would never have been passed if abortion didn't exist. You know that but you just reflexively reject anything I say.

I'm puzzled what aspect of the relationship between eugenics and abortion you think doesn't exist... can you clarify what you understand the term to mean?

PandoraSox Im a similar age and we watched programmes about illegal abortion in RE! Very traumatic.

Often abortion are about someone who cannot afford a child because of were they are in their life. Young, vulnerable, starting out in life, poor. Eugenics….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Last time I looked, poverty wasn't genetic. It's engineered by the market.

@MistressoftheDarkSide poverty is not genetic but some people have the gross belief that poor people are not as intelligent.
I say that as someone who was on free school meals in the 70s and 80s.

No, you don't decide that abortion is a net negative for women in general based only only your conviction. It must be based on evidence and statistics.

I think these pictures raise a bigger question - to what extent is it appropriate to use disturbing pictures to make a point?

The pictures could be of abortions, animals being tested on, animals being killed for food, farming abuse, children killed in wars, starving babies, the lungs of smokers on cigarette packets etc.

They are literally used because they are so emotive, because they burn into our soul and make us think twice.

Being frank though, I don't want to see pictures of animals being killed for food because it would put me off meat, and its tasty. I don't want to see pictures of children killed in war because makes me feel guilty I'm not doing more to stop it.

I'm not sure some on the pro-life side do any favours with the 'its just a ball of cells' argument, as it's patently not, especially after the first trimester. It's a vit like saying that animals killed for meat don't suffer at all, or calling civilian civilian deaths in war collateral damage. It's language used to make things easier to live with, but I can see why people opposed might object to that.

Same for saying that fetuses aren't human, when they patently are a part of the life cycles of humans. It's a perfectly acceptable argument that because they are not independent they don't have the same rights as a human, but they clearly are alive, and are clearly the species that is human.

I don't want to walk down the high street and my kids see pictures of aborted fetuses, or any other graphic emotive picture. Equally, some emotional pictures have helped shape history, and for those that show the pictures, whatever they are, they believe the cause is worth it.

I don't feel comfortable saying pictures of aborted fetuses should be banned when I don't have a problem with people having to see the realities of wars we fund, just because I deem one more important than the other. That seems hypocritical. I really don't know what the answer is.

@EverEdith I completely agree with improving education on contraception. I agree with educating males on being role models and treating women with respect.
I think there are huge amounts we can do to support women regarding this topic. Either before the act itself via contraception or after the act by improving all of the services that are supposed to support mother and child, which are desperately failing.
But even we had the perfect education system and perfect support systems in place, it doesn't change the fact that every woman has (and should continue to have) the right to choose. There are a huge number of different reasons why a woman requires a termination, and I do agree with you that there are things we can do/improve to help give these women options, but her right to choose must always remain.

I'm so sorry you had to experience that. It annoys me that people think abortion is a decision taken very lightly, when more often then not there are a range of mixed emotions. Women are often unable to access support or care as a result of the judgement that comes along with making that decision. You had legal healthcare, and you made the right decision for you, but I understand how mixed up you may feel. I hope you can access support in the future and can heal. Take care of yourself.

I’ve seen the silent scream as well it’s awful and I’m so sorry for what you went through

'The Silent Scream' was proven to be fake. It fooled so many people. But it was faked. Just like 95% of their propaganda. Sadly the malicious stunt harmed innocent women like yourself who had already gone through so much.

@Babyboomtastic - I’ve nodded all the way through reading your comment.
@PickleJelly - I agree. Sadly there were always be rapists. There will probably always be medical conditions too. For them it will be a medical procedure because of physical or mental health.
What worries me is that you would think that with increased contraception, abortion or the morning after pill would decrease.

You think the two child cap was passed because of abortions 😂 that’s just factually incorrect.

Lets start simple: do you know what eugenics is?

If abortion didn't exist, the world would be over-populated and over-run with disease and famine. If abortion didn't exist, there would be a ONE CHILD cap.

None of that is to do with eugenics.

Are people getting confused with economics?

@EvilsElsasPetSnowman , my next post was that there was a belief that poor = unintelligent. And I was a free school dinners kid.

I just looked at the photos and don’t think they are awful at . More medical?

@TrixieFatell And @Itsusitsstrange Thank you. I'm at peace with what happened.

@IdylicDay I wasn't aware it was fake, so thank you. Sadly it's too late to stop it traumatising me, and others like me. Much like the photos the forced-birthers wave around are mostly fake. But I'd still find them traumatic.

The fundamental difference is that it’s in the public interest to know about wars we fund: to know about animal testing so we can choose the right products; smoking affects more than just the smoker, so it’s in the public interest to have those pictures.

There is ZERO impact of abortion on
anyone aside from the pregnant woman. And she should be free to choose if she wants to view abortion pictures. It’s not in my interest to know about an abortion another woman is having, nor you or anyone else.

Thats the difference