To think the tactics of CBR UK are disgusting? Trigger warning - pro life.

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

I've been seething since Saturday when I encountered the organisation CBR UK on one of the busiest parts of our town centre.

CBR UK are a fundamental pro-life organisation claiming to have the interests of women traumatised by abortion at heart. Actually their roots are in the US and are underpinned by fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

Their way of educating and supporting women is to display 6 x 8 feet technicolor pictures of the aftermath of abortion in full view of women and children to get their point across.

A look at their Facebook page will prove to you I am not making this up. They place a warning sign ahead if the images, and also warn that they live film their activities, but it's obviously lip service.

They hand out leaflets and try to engage people

I challenged one of the very smug beatific older woman and suggested they must really hate women, but no, it's because they love and want to protect us apparently. And "God" - which slipped out as I took my leave and she called out God bless you. To which I responded how dare you bring God into this - and her parry was - why do you hate him that much?

Anyway, I'm posting this to make you aware that you might come up against this while doing your Christmas shopping.

Whatever your views on abortion, (Mine are pro choice and pro it's noone else's Goddamn business except a woman and her doctor) can we agree that this kind of "awareness raising" is almost psychological terrorism and should not be on our high streets in such graphic forms?

Women who have been rated, suffered traumatic medical miscarriages and are possibly accompanied by curious children don't need this shit rubbed in their faces while doing their Christmas shopping - or at any time.

AIBU?

Ultimately you can only ever decide on anything based on personal conviction.

A few weeks prior to what happened to me (explained earlier in the thread) I had my 12 week scan and immediately I could see it looked like a baby I had been expecting some kind of ball like structure ? (Think I had an image of a blastocyst in mind) but the sonographer even showed hands and feet, fingers and toes. A few weeks later what I saw was very definitely a small yet formed human baby. I assume the images described could even be genuine from 12+ weeks abortions? The problem isn’t really the authenticity of the images , unpleasant stuff happens it’s just the question over where it’s appropriate to show these images and in public , and to children is extremely wrong. It would trigger off my ptsd to see them I would be physically sick and collapse especially if they are accurate .

These people are cruel and unkind to women who for a huge range of reasons have had or are going to have a termination and it’s abusive and wrong. it’s their malicious intention to cause harm that’s the problem , yes those images could be real or at least biologically correct in some instances but they aren’t right morally to display them at all.

Neat get out there. Typical weasel words. Opinions are formed on information given, which should be accurate and unbiased. The propaganda from this organisation is not that.

They also have video footage of abortions on their website. I wonder how they obtained these videos, and whether they obtained consent from the women having them......... I think likely not!

Vile organisation!

If you don't understand that a tale of one woman supposedly changing her mind about having an abortion doesn't mean a thing when weighed up against the outcomes for womankind in general then I can't simplify it any further, Annabella. Take your personal conviction, never have an abortion yourself, and let women have their own personal convictions about what's right for them rather than forcing births because you think you know better.

Agreed! The difference is @AsMuchUseAsAChocolateTeapot doesn’t agree with abortions but she isn’t thing to stop anyone from getting one. Which is exactly how pro lifers should be

They could easily make it clear what they were about using words and directions to their website if they wanted they are actively choosing to use distressing and inappropriate images

Ridiculous analogy. Medical care was historically about correcting a pathology. Pregnancy is entirely normal, terminating that pregnancy interrupts the healthy function of the body, indeed two bodies. Therefore reproductive technologies fundamentally change how we have understood 'healthcare' until this point. We've only just crossed this rubicon but as biotech develops we will see truly terrifying consequences.

As long as you’re deciding things for yourself, and not anyone else, that’s fine

Isn’t that the definition of pro choice though?
Sorry, not trying to be inflammatory but I thought that’s what it meant. That whether or not you may never decide to have one yourself but you believe the choice should exist for other women?

Really? What consequences are those?

I always wonder that. Under what circumstances are women being bloody filmed having an abortion?!

Medical care was historically about correcting a pathology.

If we based medical care of long gone history then half of us would be dead.

Pregnancy is entirely normal, terminating that pregnancy interrupts the healthy function of the body, indeed two bodies.

What function does the woman lose after an abortion? A baby? No shit Sherlock 😂

Therefore reproductive technologies fundamentally change how we have understood 'healthcare' until this point.

I know quite a lot about healthcare technologies- which tech dictates abortion puts women at a net negative or is bad for her health when it’s an abortion she wants? Who is buying this tech? NHS trusts? What are they using it for? Who is making it?

We've only just crossed this rubicon but as biotech develops we will see truly terrifying consequences.

Such as?

It is but that poster is pro life. She doesn’t agree with abortions but isn’t trying to stop anybody getting one.
Thats fine in my book.

Eugenics, which we already practice. And soon we will have assisted dying so uneconomic livestock can be killed off at the other end. And at some point, there will be technology which allows babies to be gestated outside the womb. Meaning children effectively without parents. Without abortion we wouldn't have the 2 child limit etc etc

Oh, it's just semantics. Might be my fault because I have reasons not to use the word "experience" with regards to Annabella, who thinks what happens with women's bodies is about more than just women.

But let's say we do have a woman who wanted an abortion, changed her mind and is glad she did. They exist. Doesn't matter. The experience of one woman who made choice A does not mean women as a class have suffered due to having the option of both choice A and choice B.

And now Annabella is wanging on about pathology and pregnancy being "natural", as if something being "natural" means it can't also be harmful. Heroin, tuberculosis and angry lions are natural. Birth injuries, eclampsia, maternal death and arguably mental breakdowns are also natural, very natural consequences of a natural pregnancy. Natural doesn't mean safe, good or desirable and of all the different methods used to coerce women and delegitimise their bodily autonomy, it might not be the most odious but it's got to be the most lazy.

@Tittat50 the images are what they are. If a woman has a medical condition or the baby that means the pregnancy is not viable, I would expect the woman already knows the details inside and out.
Young vulnerable women should be protected from having to have an abortion. We should be concentrating on the other end of this.
Education on emotional and the physical changes. Just because your body could get pregnant doesn’t mean you should. Responsibilities and consequences and so on.
Access to proper contraception care. How to not get into that situation in the first place. AND THE LADS educated in responsibility and consequences. Too many do not have a good role model.
Seeing how bloody awful abortion actually is - I don’t think it’s a bad thing. we need to wake up to this and look for the better alternatives. (Though not kids in a shopping centre)
Abortion is often hidden because a woman has had to make a hard choice and can be worried about being judged. It is a quick fix for the government and so much cheaper than supporting a single sahm with a couple of kids. Financially a win for them. This is not the feminist win some think it is.
Some women can deal with this. Others can’t. Then they have to live with that decision.
Still don’t see the link between prolife and child abuse.

That should be the case but too many people who hold those opinions seek to impose them on others, often by very unpleasant means.

Lol, definition schmefinition

Ok, I think we are starting to see where you are going with this now

I have worked in abortion care (for tfmr) and the thought of people coming across that propaganda is heartbreaking. Be pro-life if it pleases you but don't force your beliefs on others. It should be illegal to have such propaganda on public show

Good, solid argument!

Dear me

I don’t think you know what eugenics is love.

You may use ‘big’ words but you really are not very bright.

Pray tell how do eugenics apply to an aborted foetus?

Dont blame the two child limit on abortion! In fact research shows women are aborting wanted pregnancies BECAUSE of the two child limit

Frustratingly, it appears you don't have the capacity to understand what I'm saying. Fortunately, others will.

While there are certainly ethical debates to be had around each of the subjects you mention, you're conflating all the issues surrounding "right to life" and ignoring the fact that 51% of the world's population also has a right to life. Abortion protects the physical and mental well-being of women. Which I would argue is congruent in addressing pathology.