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To feel a bit down at the amount of selfish behaviour around?

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NoisyDenimShaker · 15/11/2024 19:06

I'm in the young-middle-age bracket. Over the past few years, many friends, acquaintances, and family members have had serious illnesses, and some have died. While there are, of course, many lovely and caring people around, I find myself aghast at the amount of breathtakingly selfish behaviour I've witnessed. People not visiting their ill friends and family, people ignoring the bereaved, people just so, so wrapped up in themselves, people who are all about their own lives and really not caring about anyone who isn't a spouse or child. It's got me down a bit sometimes, tbh. Some of it's in my own family, which has not been fun.

I find that young people are much less selfish. It seems that people hit middle age and all hell breaks loose, with more people than you'd expect being laser-focused on themselves. I don't remember this being the case at all when I was in my twenties and doing the London thing, seeing friends a lot etc. I don't remember having cause to marvel at all the selfish behaviour on display back then. It seems to have happened in middle age.

Has anyone else noticed a startling upswing in selfish behaviour from late thirties onwards?

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NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 01:47

HazelLion · 15/11/2024 21:33

Yes, I've noticed this too but it's mainly our parent's generation that I've been very disappointed by. My parents never call or initiate contact with me - you'd think we'd had a massive falling out or something, but no. When I do finally give in and contact them my mother dominates the conversation and doesn't ask how I am or show much interest. My father barely makes a peep. My mother in law also dominates conversations and doesn't ask how we are or show much interest. I'm pretty sure none of my family knows what I do for work.

I've definitely realised I can't rely on family or friends for any emotional support. Maybe people have always been this selfish and I'm just noticing now?

That's really awful, HazelLion. I'm so sorry. It's tough when you feel you can't rely on anyone. I rely more on community than individuals.

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NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 01:52

DBD1975 · 16/11/2024 01:26

This is truly heartbreaking please know I hear you and understand what you are saying, having lost my Mum in my mid teens, many years ago, different times.

I hope you sourced help and support with your grief as an adult and you have found a way to live with your loss.

My heart goes out to you and I want to rescue you as a 13 year old having to cope with a devastating loss. That girl was so brave, so courageous and found a way through, you should be very proud of yourself 💙.

It's just terrible to read of people who lost parents so young. No child should ever have to go through that. I'm so sorry for both of you.

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NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 02:03

KikiSaffron · 16/11/2024 01:36

This really resonates for me. Over the past decade I have been one of the primary carers for two terminally ill people- a close friend and my uncle. In both cases I was horrified at how few people showed up during the illness even to just pop in to have a cup of tea. It has really made me focus on only expending energy on friendships where I know we would both definitely be there for each other in a bad situation. Selfish and oblivious people are extremely unattractive and I wish people would stop focusing so much on themselves and remember that a community is built by people all showing some care and decency to each other.

Yep, exactly this. And yes, an extremely unattractive trait.

It's interesting how those who have been caregivers know exactly what I'm talking about.

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SharpOpalNewt · 16/11/2024 07:57

NoisyDenimShaker · 16/11/2024 01:44

Nobody has ever said I'm selfish, quite the opposite, and many of the incidences I'm talking about are from people I know intimately.

Don't worry, I wouldn't have known such selfishness was possible until people started getting sick and dying, either. I have a friend who swore her sister would never leave her in the lurch if their parents got sick...well, their dad now has terminal cancer, and guess who's left the whole burden to my friend, who has two young children and a tiny house with no spare rooms and one bathroom? That's right, the sister nearby with a large house and no kids. (The parents are staying with my friend during chemo because they're too far from the cancer centre otherwise, and her sister can't possibly have them to stay because the cat doesn't like her mum.) The sister is also very flaky about appts. So my friend has everyone crammed in to her house, one kid has given up their room, she's looking after her elderly parents, one with Stage 4 cancer, while working full-time, having two young kids and a marriage to maintain, while other sis's life is not impacted at all, as she stretches out in her house where she lives with only her wife, and my friend buckles under the strain. But her sis doesn't care about that.

Utter selfishness.

Sounds like you are judging society through personal anecdotes. And there have always been people like that.

sleeppleasesoon · 16/11/2024 09:19

It’s impossible to ignore 40 years of capitalist neo-liberal policies which promotes and encourages individualism.

Cohesion and community have been purposely broken down to weaken working class solidarity. As another poster mentioned, a legacy of Thacher/Regan and continued as a political ethos since then through successive right wing governments, including New Labour under Blair

People do not have the emotional/mental/physical capacity any more like they may have done. We’re just about surviving. It’s not personal I don’t think (mostly).

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