Wrap around care for those who don't work??

[Raisinsandweetabix]

Free breakfast clubs, afterschool clubs. Why would you need this if you are at home all day anyway? Another kick in the teeth to working parents. Obviously not including those in dire need of this care.

Well said.

If you want to just slag off your SiL @Raisinsandweetabix , then be upfront about it in your OP.

If you want to talk about details of a policy that has been released, then at least link to it, so people can have a look at what you are talking about.

Yes, or even makes their life slightly better regardless of educational outcome

Yes agreed and especially with the advent of AI as a matter of economics, not just social ideals, we need to be turning out kids who can get jobs and compete with the brightest and best from China, Japan, India etc if any of us want a decent standard of living. It’s quite literally an investment not a freebie.

@Raisinsandweetabix you do realise that it’s these kids who will probably be paying your pension? Wouldn’t you like them to leave school with some decent GCSEs?

Personally I don't mind some getting it free and us paying, means tested = equal opportunity. The major problem we have in our area is that there are severe shortages of places at wraparound facilities and a lot of working parents literally can't send their kids because the places are being allocated to children who's parents don't work. This applies to nursery places too.

Nope, they are about getting parents into the workplace!

I thought you didn’t want a nanny state?

I hope that children that need it get free wraparound care and some food. In fact I love it that they do.

Well said 👏

I agree it's for the good of the child. But it's creating a generation of people who think they no longer have to parent their own children! How about encouraging these people (not just women) to get a job, to be pro active? Does the Job centre even exist anymore?

Where is the Dad in all this? SIL does sound like hard work but there are 2 parents. So why isn't the father taking kids to school or helping them brush teeth?

I think that once kids are older she will get less financially from the state & can't see how she will be able to continue with her holidays to Benidorm. I'm not too envious of what you describe though!

My children are up from 5am everyday (regardless of what we do to help them sleep later) so waiting for 8.45/9am feels like a lifetime. My child with SEN would benefit greatly from a soft landing transition to school. The longer he waits in the morning the more anxious he becomes or he thinks its a weekend and then the idea of school can feel very off putting(who can blame him) so he will refuse (try maintaining a job with a "school refuser")

It would be wonderful to have access to breakfast club and afterschool club. Our school doesn't offer it at all despite the clear need for it from many parents. I think as much as possible should be universally available for children. Give them as much support as possible. It's nothing to do with the parents.

@DinosaurMunch please let me know where you see a few hours a week earning you £7k per annum?

How old is her youngest child? If at school and she's on uc the job centre should be on her case. Unless she's claiming disability then they'll leave her alone. I think going by some people I know it's impossible to get them to work as they have never ending list of excuses.
I'm a single parent and work. I agree it's frustrating when you see others refusing and getting all the help but I think with those types of parents it's about helping the children. I know a woman who's son was given free breakfast club, school offered it. I think its because mum doesn't cope and child was going to school without breakfast and stressed due to mum's behaviour.

Throw the grenade in and casually walk away whistling with your hands behind your back.
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Is it? This is what it says on the HM Government Childcare Choices page -

To break down barriers to opportunity and confront child poverty, the government is making plans to fund free breakfast clubs in every primary school, so children start the day ready to learn.

All parents in England with primary school aged children are eligible to access wraparound childcare.

Assuming you are in England. I haven’t checked the devolved nations websites.

It’s for the kids not the parents

I don’t really understand your point? Why can’t parents take advantage of this ‘just because.’ At the end of the day it’s their children that will benefit from it the most

Fucking tedious isn’t it. What do they get from this? Wanking over women fighting? Are we some kind of foxy boxing service?

If that's the case I'm thrilled that child and childhoods are back on the agenda and hope this is the start of policies designed to lift children out of poverty.

I will benefit (currently my childcare bill is more than my mortgage) but I'm very happy this isn't just for 'working' families because I'm more worried about the children living in poverty and helping struggling families.

This. Why should the children, who are totally helpless suffer, because of the family they happen to be born into? This is for the children, how sad that some people would seek to complain about any help that they may receive.

There have ALWAYS been people who think they don't have to parent their own child.

What evidence do you have that a couple of teeth brushing lessons and some books about the dentist mean that more people think they don't need to parent?

Have you thought that some may not be working because they can't get someone to look after kid before school cant afford it . Maybe being free breakfasts mean it convinces a person to take say an early care job and will be finished at 2 etc.

it is for the sake of the child as you say.
good job

Exactly

and no the job centre doesnt exist

So you don't want your nephews and neices to benefit? Because you wouldn't want SIL to indirectly benefit from it.
Something you and your child will get too?

Wanna ban Christmas for those kids too? Wouldn't want them to enjoy themselves.