Wrap around care for those who don't work??

[Raisinsandweetabix]

Free breakfast clubs, afterschool clubs. Why would you need this if you are at home all day anyway? Another kick in the teeth to working parents. Obviously not including those in dire need of this care.

Once again but a bit louder... its not a freebie for the parents, it's for the children. Whether you are in a rush to drop them off in the morning; whether there is no food in the cupboards at home, or just because they aren't quite ready for their breakfast early in the morning, breakfast bring provided at school to every child is an easy win. It improves concentration; stops them twining that they feel sick all morning thus not doing any work; prevents any child feeling stigmatised or ashamed. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want that. Why would you want your child in a classroom with children who misbehave and disrupt their learning due to having no breakfast? It's got bugger all to do with champagne socialism ( which is such a bullshit term. Criticising others who want better for those worse off than themselves?). It's a practical solution to a growing problem. And yes, a bowl of sugary cereal or a slice of toast and marge may not be the perfect start to the day but it's a lot better than a bag of crisps and a can of coke or nothing at all.

My cousin lost her job before she finished mat leave (she got a payout for unfair dismissal).. and now she has her hands full. Any support with childcare she can get would mean she’s able to compete job applications and attend interviews.. so yeah, I sit see a problem with that.

Absolutely this and I'm glad this policy does exist.

Love this!!!

I grew up poor, and now am comfortably “middle class”, but it shouldn’t take that to appreciate all the brilliant points being made here.

Some parents can't work because they are unwell or disabled in some way. They may well need to access the system. Save your ire for the government not the parents.

What’s your issue with this?

Breakfast clubs are to feed kids not 'look after' them.

Agree, but imagine a parent with a chronic illness who may be struggling to always have breakfast on the table. Or if they unable to decently dress their child etc. These things can be flagged up at breakfast clubs and appropriate agencies contacted. I'm not saying schools need to replace parents. I'm saying that if parents and kids need a little help, it's not a bad thing to provide something to make a child's life a bit less challenging.

I think my beef with some threads on mumsnet is they come with a nasty whiff of ableism. There's an assumption that those who don't work are just lazy. Many disabilities aren't visible.

There are a vast amount of children in breakfast/after school club, most of which are there because it is safer for them to be there.
Many school children are abused/hungry or in DV households.
my DC went to the childminders after school. I had to pay and I worked full time. I would never want to deprive a child in need to make me feel better about the welfare system.

Most secondary schools offer free breakfast and there’s never any fuss about that, only when it’s for smaller children.
A lot of it is to do with getting children in on time, everyone is more relaxed as well rather than rushing in the door.

You wouldn't want to deprive a vulnerable child to cock a snook at the welfare system because you're a decent human being, I'm guessing. I wonder at the integrity of those who start these threads.

This has been happening in other countries such as Norway for years. It's not a new concept.

So it’s now stupid and batshit to have compassion for those less fortunate than yourself, is it?

I see that Maggie’s ideals have come to fruition in some of your generation. The Sun newspaper will be so proud. 🤦🏻‍♀️

So you think socialism equals compassion? Where in the world has socialism ever resulted in compassion. Name one place. Just one.

This is the problem with regurgitating sound bites without understanding reality or having any knowledge of how the real world works.

Breakfast clubs are a great idea for lots of reasons.
One of which is childcare so the important thing is ensuring spaces for all that need it/want it.

if there are limited spaces and not enough for working parents then we do have an issue as it is essential that there are childcare opportunities to enable people to work. Otherwise we have a big problem in society.

So how do you suggest parents do it then without the use of the clubs?
you can barely get to work, works the hours you need to and get back again by 6 as it is.

This thread is a load of moaning over nothing, the lazy bums you moan about are highly unlikely to get their asses out of bed an hour early to get to breakfast club. Honestly I'm friends with some self admitted lazy female dogs who would never drag their ass out of bed early when their kids can just pour their own cereal and milk.

So relax, the people you hate are not actually even stealing your places, it's most likely high in demand from other working parents who are willing to pay just like you and parents with other children who are disabled (as has been mentioned on this thread and we can't exactly begrudge that can we)

There are so many issues at play here. I’m all for breakfast and wraparound care for all children but I just don’t see how it’s feasible in a school setting. Breakfast Club for many children will be about feeding them, keeping them warm & having them arrive in good time for lessons but for others it’s about allowing parents to have jobs which might otherwise be precluded due to drop off and pick ups. Very different but I believe both valid.
I can understand your frustration OP when you pay your taxes but can’t access the wraparound benefit too. Actually I think everyone does but some like to pretend they don’t, and prefer to make you look bad.
I also agree it seems unbelievable ’parents’ are not taking responsibility for teaching their own offspring to clean their teeth, believe nursery or even school should toilet train them and don’t prioritise nutrition over vapes, tv channels or foreign holidays.
I would always prioritise these kids for wraparound care though and hope it gave them a greater chance in life.
I think you are more disgruntled with your sil than anything else and I get that too.
I do believe fathers should be named to HMRC (or some other body) and monies directly taken from their wages/benefits. Perhaps then birth control success would miraculously improve for men with multiple children with multiple women they don’t support financially or emotionally.

Yep, I agree.

It may also be the difference needed for many on low wages to make work pay.

This thread is a load of moaning over nothing, the lazy bums you moan about are highly unlikely to get their asses out of bed an hour early to get to breakfast club.

Good point, well made. Its always the same couple of chaotic parent’s dragging their poor kids in, who are clutching their pain au chocolat or brioche roll whilst simultaneously saying “Guys don’t make us late” at my school. There is zero prospect of them dropping off an hour earlier, funded or otherwise.

I think in 2024 it’s crushing that some kids prospects and chances at education are still impacted by their hunger and basics needs being met. IMO the family you’re born into is a matter of luck. It’s not lucky to need breakfast club for some cheap cereal or otherwise go without.

Yes the fathers need to take some responsibility or a financial hit

@Raisinsandweetabix In our school Breakfast club is not wrap around care & it is open to as many as need to use it, you do not need to book to use our breakfast club, & is there mainly to make sure kids who might not get fed on a morning do get fed so they are not hungry while trying to learn.
Afterschool provision is wrap around care & is often limited numbers so those in work & needing the wrap around care are prioritised!

I think the point being made is that 'working' parents are paying for this, via taxes. However, one could argue that non-parents are paying taxes that support all parents with breakfast clubs etc.