Sara Sharif case - update - horrifying

[amIloud]

This case is just beyond the realms of horrifying,

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl461xwg3do

This poor child.

The point is the court factored in the seemingly 'really good relationship' between Sara and Beinash into the decision to leave her with her father.

It's possible if Urfan was single then he may not have been given custody.

Of course no one is saying Sara would have been given to Beinash had she not been married to Urfan.

This is not about individuals with case loads but a court and social services policy policy to favour fathers because they are fathers even when they are known abusers.
And courts are closed.

Cafcass are trained to make even handed reports about fathers and mothers on the policy that children need fathers and mothers equally. Say if they were comparing Putin and Starmer, there might be some who would write up a report where both seem equally adequate, or Putin’s past actions safe enough now because of mitigating factors.

Batool was probably very good at playing the system.

On the plane she dealt with the police officers in a very calm, businesslike, eloquent attitude. Dare I say that she almost seemed pleasant?

You would never think that she's the person who calls her children "cunts, where's and bastards" in the playground.

Yes, she is definitely a Jekyll and Hyde character. I've just heard that she was effectively married to 3 men at the same time and that one of her personas was a very wealthy woman.

It's a perfect storm couple of a violent abuser and a manipulative abuser coming together.

Of course Sara shouldn’t have been placed with US.
Which doesn’t mean she should have been either Olga, either.
What a shame she didn’t stay safely with foster parents as her oldest sibling did.

Yes, agreed. I found it interesting watching her police interview. The officer directly reminded her that she said in her video posted from Pakistan to the BBC that she wants to return to the UK and tell her story, yet has given a no comment interview instead of telling her story. I guess she hasn’t actually offered a version of events to any UK authorities, contrary to what she said when she claimed Pakistan authorities were trying to kill her.

They are depraved monsters who should never ever see light of day again!
pity they aren’t sent back to Pakistan to serve their sentences am sure it would be far rougher …
Neighbours should have done more too …so many failures for this poor mite !
it keeps happening…😞

Abusive people can be very charming. I don’t have any difficulty in imagining how she was. It is a total myth that go around in public being awful. They save that for private and small children that they hate.

Most abusive people are just abused as children; they hate children and can’t handle them. Then you get sadists like this man. If the system we have can’t spot him it’s not fit for purpose

Apparently she was well aware Pakistan and the UK have no extradition treaty. So maybe when she made that video about wanting to clear their names she didn't really think they would face a UK court.

Yes, that’s likely why they chose to go in hiding in Pakistan after the murder of Sara. The video was just to get Pakistan off their backs I suppose.

By the way does anyone have a link to the full video she posted from Pakistan? Apparently it was over 2 minutes long but I can only see excerpts from it. It seems the full video has been taken down from most articles?

This one is 1 min long

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=search&v=947502186337478&external_log_id=af162ff1-7a22-4409-ab4c-e10267d3ab34&q=beinash%20batool

Thank you @Manara

This has some parts I haven’t seen before!

It’s crazy to think this is the most the UK legal system has seen her say on the matter, considering she gave a no comment interview and didn’t speak in court.

It’s extremely distressing to me that the lesson that people are determined to take away from this is that the preference for children to be cared for by parents (if possible ) is wrong . Actually this is a proper principle - the care system does not have good outcomes for children. Sometimes it is necessary, but it should be the last resort. The problem in this case is one that is endemic in the family courts, that violent men are given access to children because men’s rights are prioritised over women and children, violence against women is not taken seriously and the testimony of women is not seen as reliable as that of men

This is 100%

I was listening fo Jamed O'Brien talking about this terrible case and he was commenting on how devious and manipulative she is, the various "marriages", pretending she was pregnant with twins and that while the father is a deeply dangerous thug, she was the one with the brains who could scheme and deceive. I think she is a psychopath

I was thinking the same earlier. She seems to have all the hallmarks of a very charming, calculated psychopath.

No need for your correction.

There was an obvious determination by the family court that she should be with one of her parents. First she was with her mother, despite previously being in care because of accusations against both parents. Then when the accusations against her mother came in they gave her to her father, despite already having deemed him unfit to have her sibling.

Had common sense prevailed and there not been a determination by family courts that children should be with a parent at seemingly all costs this is a child that should have stayed in care on one of the two previous stays.

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Why is this psycho sister not in jail ?

The care system only has bad outcomes because it isn't properly funded. Decades of data from other countries demonstrates that this does not have to be the case. Proper funding to give children in care stable homes and removing children at the first sign of abuse is far, far prefereable to abandoning them to live with known abusers and trying to justify this by saying the state would also fail them as a guardian. That is a choice, and it is disgusting to use it as an excuse to allow this abuse of children to continue.

Which countries are you referring to please?

Yes, although I've seen people say on mumsnet that the UK has a reputation for removing kids unnecessarily compared to other European countries.

UK has a reputation for removing kids unnecessarily compared to other European countries
It does And a particularly unethical form of adoption.

Ok, but Meemeows is saying that Decades of data from other countries demonstrates that proper funding to give children in care stable homes and removing children at the first sign of abuse is far, far prefereable to abandoning them to live with known abusers.
Which is it?
Or maybe its "Superior Other Countries" syndrome?

Yes I’m wondering what other countries she’s speaking of…