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AIBU to think that if you're in police custody you shouldn't be able to get out of the car?

107 replies

Chowtime · 12/11/2024 18:30

Thinking of the awful news today about a 17 year old girl being transported who got out of the police car on the M5 and died 😓. Aren't those cars fitted with child locks?

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SleepToad · 12/11/2024 19:51

Spent some time with a mate who's ex police and we got into some of the things he's seen/experienced so discount nothing.

One scenario that immediately came to mind. Girl in back of car. Says going to be sick/threatens to piss/shit in car. They stop, open back. She kicks/pushes copper and is out. Or starts to retch at side of road Jumped out and runs across the motorway...

Sadly she was killed. The cops will be blamed because it's cheap political points (like cop who shot know gangster...who BBC gave a whole documentary to on what a nice boy he was)

IVFmumoftwo · 12/11/2024 19:54

Why would you be stupid enough to get out of the car on a motorway anyway? Everyone knows it is risky.

sel2223 · 12/11/2024 19:54

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 19:46

It differs obviously in Scotland and England (different acts, I’m in Scotland) but a quick Google shows the premise is the same. Where I am it would depend on their behaviour but they can’t just rock up to hospitals if they were a risk to the public or psyche wards (they wouldn’t know if a bed/place was available) without a mental health professional assessing them first, so they would brought into custody in the first instance, for that to be facilitated and determined if they should be detained to hospital. Like I said that’s where I am.

We've gone off on a bit of a tangent here but, yes it most likely does differ depending on where you're from so my response might not apply here, fair enough.

Where I was, they would not have taken anyone into a Police custody suite for MH issues unless there was literally no other option.
Instead there'd be minimum 2 officers with them at the hospital, often for their entire shift, while they waited in a private room to be assessed.
Anyone under s.136 would be taken straight to a mental health facility but police would not be able to leave them unattended until they'd been assessed and, if necessary, a bed found.

SleepToad · 12/11/2024 19:55

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 19:30

That’s not quite correct. A custody suite would be considered a place of safety for the police to take someone suffering from mental health concerns to be assessed by a mental health professional who are the ones who decide if they should be detained under the Mental Health Act.

Agreed in fact I think it's the met, but one force have had a lot of criticism last year/year before for saying they are not going to attend mh issues. Many mh problems end up with a person in a police cell

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 19:59

sel2223 · 12/11/2024 19:54

We've gone off on a bit of a tangent here but, yes it most likely does differ depending on where you're from so my response might not apply here, fair enough.

Where I was, they would not have taken anyone into a Police custody suite for MH issues unless there was literally no other option.
Instead there'd be minimum 2 officers with them at the hospital, often for their entire shift, while they waited in a private room to be assessed.
Anyone under s.136 would be taken straight to a mental health facility but police would not be able to leave them unattended until they'd been assessed and, if necessary, a bed found.

Edited

Got you. Agree with the two officers at all times. I also think the general lack of officers available to facilitate the waiting to be assessed and the woeful mental health facilities (here anyway) play a part. Don’t want to derail but good to exchange knowledge!

sel2223 · 12/11/2024 20:03

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 12/11/2024 19:59

Got you. Agree with the two officers at all times. I also think the general lack of officers available to facilitate the waiting to be assessed and the woeful mental health facilities (here anyway) play a part. Don’t want to derail but good to exchange knowledge!

This was a few years ago so with the lack of resources and other commitments, things may well be very different everywhere now.

Feelingstrange2 · 12/11/2024 20:03

Was the location, perhaps, actually the scene of the arrest and she escaped or did they stop there on the journey to the station?

Hateam · 12/11/2024 20:04

Why can't people wait for the facts to emerge anymore? Seend a simple enough concept.

GreenTeaLikesMe · 12/11/2024 20:05

Bet she faked a medical episode.

UtterlyOtterly · 12/11/2024 20:05

There will be an inquest. Why do people feel the need to pick over the incident like a flock of vultures?

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 20:06

UtterlyOtterly · 12/11/2024 20:05

There will be an inquest. Why do people feel the need to pick over the incident like a flock of vultures?

Boredom

NerrSnerr · 12/11/2024 20:06

IVFmumoftwo · 12/11/2024 19:54

Why would you be stupid enough to get out of the car on a motorway anyway? Everyone knows it is risky.

Clearly for whatever reason the child was not in her right mind. Maybe through drink/ drugs, maybe mental illness or maybe in a desperate effort to evade police. It's not exactly a normal situation where one would think rationally.

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 20:06

Feelingstrange2 · 12/11/2024 20:03

Was the location, perhaps, actually the scene of the arrest and she escaped or did they stop there on the journey to the station?

Who knows? Do you know?

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 20:07

IVFmumoftwo · 12/11/2024 19:54

Why would you be stupid enough to get out of the car on a motorway anyway? Everyone knows it is risky.

😐

Differentstarts · 12/11/2024 20:08

Iv been in the back of police cars a few times and the back doors are locked however they have stopped and let me out to vomit before.

lasagnelle · 12/11/2024 20:08

Differentstarts · 12/11/2024 20:08

Iv been in the back of police cars a few times and the back doors are locked however they have stopped and let me out to vomit before.

Great insight

mitogoshigg · 12/11/2024 20:09

It's sad all around but if someone is not considered a flight risk they may not have had child locks on plus they would typically use a police van for those likely to abscond. Wait for the report to be published, I'm sure it's complicated

AlwaysGinPlease · 12/11/2024 20:16

GreenTeaLikesMe · 12/11/2024 20:05

Bet she faked a medical episode.

Aren't you a delight

Neighboursfromhell · 12/11/2024 20:19

Simonjt · 12/11/2024 18:41

As someone who has been arrested, due to the way you are cuffed you cannot remove the seatbelt yourself, so if the officer can’t cope with a bit of thrashing about and noise they may need to consider their suitability. Door locks are also engaged and controlled per door, not just front/back.

For anyone implying she was arrested, she may not have been. Being on a motorway I wonder if she was actually detained as a concern for welfare and on a way to a place of safety

LikeARunnerHo · 12/11/2024 20:36

What the hell, this sounds awful! Can anyone link the story pls?

TheRussiansAreComing · 12/11/2024 20:42

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BellissimoGecko · 12/11/2024 20:49

LikeARunnerHo · 12/11/2024 20:36

What the hell, this sounds awful! Can anyone link the story pls?

It's on the front page of the BBC site, ffs

BellissimoGecko · 12/11/2024 20:50

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🙄 Aren't you lovely.

TheShellBeach · 12/11/2024 20:53

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Reported.

Ineedanotherheropreferablyatwix · 12/11/2024 20:55

What a horrible event for all involved