If you have a cat you have to stop it scaring and eating birds

[lasagnelle]

Get a bell collar or something. Give the wildlife a chance. Can you train cats to leave birds alone?

I don't eat meat. And I have indoor cats.

Hoping the cats do

If you meant thousands of years, why didn’t you say it?

Evidence of domesticated cats have been found in settlements dated to 300 years BC, and that’s just the ones they have found.

Except for the assertions, stats and evidence of the bird sanctuaries/charities ..

Yes, my cats and dogs do eat meat so I suppose they are indirectly responsible for animal deaths.

It's us who are a threat to the birds the area I live in now my nan lived in when I was a child there were a LOT more cats more countryside and thousands more birds flocks and flocks of them they would sit on the telephone wires until they bent these days we have a pathetic few birds even less now they built on the fields they ripped up the trees in the town now there are no small birds in town either

We have pigeons and gulls no sparrows blue tit's great tit's coal tit's blackbirds? Haven't seen one this year in my garden we are in November ffs we get the odd Robin

But it's us who is the main issue

Not judging. Just checking

Tried the collar. Mine just ends up with a leg or his locker jaw stuck through it.

I'm not risking injuries for a pigeon.

Anyway, we have a big, thorny bush and you'll be glad to hear that the sometimes hundreds of sparrows who like to spend time in it know full well the ginger one cannot get to them while they're in there and if he does ever get close to one of them as they pop down to the pond for a quick bath then they swoop down at him and protect each other.

The squirrel is too fast for him and the hedgehog too scary.

The field mice are definitely not safe, though.

I've known a few cats that jingle that bell all around the house at 3 am and then go out stalking in the garden and are completely silent. And anyways since when has a bird heard a bell and thought "oh a bet that's attached to a cat!!"

One of mine has removed every collar I've tried putting on him. He's seemingly given up hunting as he's got older. The other flatly refuses to entertain the idea of having a collar at all, let alone one with a bell on it. I'll have a word with him about his predatory behaviour.

My cats grudgingly accept that you don't eat the birds, at least those in the house for rehab.
Collars aren't the answer, and I've witnessed some horrific injuries with collars, especially elasticated ones, so please don't use them.
Keeping cats indoors at dusk and dawn or in a cat proofed garden/catio is the most sensible way to protect birds.

I have trained Razor to only hunt starlings. Those greedy bastards deserve to die.

Since it’s been completely ignored, I’ll ask again. Why are we ok with mice and rats being hunted by cats but nothing else?

Also why are we ignoring the destruction and havoc dogs are wreaking on wildlife and society? My parents dogs (huskies) have destroyed various creatures nests and have killed birds, voles, squirrels, rabbits, hedgehogs and baby foxes? Are all of those ok? Is it just cats we’re pissed off about or are we cross about all the unnecessary deaths by animals , including the insurmountable deaths caused my humans (meat eaters or otherwise)

Where are we drawing the line?

OP, you are responsible for far more deaths and suffering of animals than cats. Or are you vegan?

I assume not as they said the mass farming of chicken was a completely different topic

Yes of course, I forgot chickens don't count. 🙄

My cats very rarely manage to catch birds. Birds can fly and they can't. My boy cat managed to catch one a couple of years back but he didn't kill it and quite happily let it go when I told him to, there wasn't a scratch on it. I don't think he had a clue what to do with it!

It's almost always mice or rats they go for, although we have had a live frog and a live lizard brought into the house. Both were rescued and released unharmed back outside again.

Animal agriculture is destroying wildlife much more than cats - or anything - so if you consume meat etc you aren't really in a position to get annoyed about cats behaving naturally, it's hypocritical.

When I lived at home as a teen it was always frogs and I had the job of catching them as they were always live.

And how many bugs and worms? Can people just admit that they don't care about animals that they enjoy eating (unless they are vegetarians) or that aren't fluffy or pretty? It's really very hypocritical.

Interesting. I’ve got both cats and chickens (and many other animals) I love them very much and take care of them to the best of my ability. I’m also all for the freedom and quality of life for all animals. That does however include letting nature take it’s course, and not interfering. I feel that people anthropomorphise far too much, and really we need to leave them alone a lot more I wonder where I rank on the ops morality scale.

50 million sick birds, eh?

Seriously?

You won't get a pasting from me.

The insistence that top predators must be allowed out to wreak havoc "because nature" flies in the face of the fact that cats all over the world, including the UK, manage to live happy, healthy lives indoors.

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No one enjoys eating worms