My parents love Trump

[Autumn5000]

I'm not from the US but my parents love Trump. I bet they are so so happy about todays win.
I'm bisexual so part of the LGBTQ community. I'm not loud about this but still I feel you should be free to love whoever which Trump is clearly against.
Also the whole abortion thing and Trump being pro life. How can my parents who have a daughter support this man who wants this.
All the wild things he has said they think it's hilarious and agree with everything he says.
What on earth do I do about this? They are my parents but I'm so embarrassed they are. I'm also upset they have these views and openly supports him.

You behave like a grown-up and respect that not everyone shares your views. That's literally it, unless you want to go NC with your parents, which would be ridiculous in my opinion.

What were you expecting to happen on this thread the same day as the election? Come on.

Well may be check which political party got the first gay in the US? Also, Trump abortion rights position to begin with. I personally respect the views of everyone else and more so of older generations. The idea that the left owe all minorities is a dated one. Have you seen the women in the Conservative Party as oppose to Labour? Your choice who you back but so it is that of your parents. This is a you issue and as seen in the results yesterday. There are likely people you know who backed silently precisely because of people like you. Be more tolerant and at least your parents are honest. I know someone who dare to unfollow him if Trump supporter and now feels very ridiculous and paranoid about who is a Trumpist on his circle. May be your parents at least are honest and open about it. After do you want the to be in the closet about it?

Your parents views are as legitimate as your own.

Worries about the economy and immigration, factors which affect us all, are top priority for many. People can’t afford to eat and heat their homes. People’s lives are impacted by uncontrolled immigration and lack of integration, with cultural differences becoming more challenging to bridge and the cost of this resting on the shoulders of the poorest.

It’s quite blind, to see this as a nice person vs nasty person issue. Or that everyone else must be racist or xenophobic etc. And the longer people have been alive, the more change they’ve seen. I’m mid forties and life is very very different to when I grew up, and not every change is positive.

The issue of not teaching about gay relationships in school, well as a teacher this is not something I want to teach. Not because I don’t agree with gay relationships. As previously stated I don’t care, but because it doesn’t seem relevant as to why children are in school. Numeracy and literacy skills are being lost, whilst we teach children that men can be women and men can love men. I don’t know why we have to teach this? Can’t we just have a society where we agree that we are all individuals and that’s ok, and leave the details out of it? I wouldn’t mind as much if education standards were high and we had plenty of time on our hands, but I just don’t think there’s any need to focus on something which is personal to each of us. I’m certainly not going around teaching people that a woman can love a man and all the ways this can happen. Seems weird to want to do this and time is being wasted on what is essentially identity politics. Back in the 1990’s I don’t remember there being identity politics and I had friends who were black, gay, Asian etc…nobody cared.

Today we are hyper focused on separating ourselves into small groups, each which needs individual celebration. Seems backwards to me. I grew up being told we were all the same and to treat others as you’d like to be treated - simple.

Trump might not be a nice person. But some of us feel he has sensible policies and priorities compared to the left. The fact he is an entertaining speaker is not his main appeal; but just a little bonus.

He is going to have an experienced team around him, people in business, people in the medical profession, people who have worked in more than just politics, so who knows, this could be great for prosperity in America for Americans.

Compared to our Labour government, who seem to not have much clue of what to do, and we are all just getting poorer as they have no other ideas than to raise tax - perhaps you could see the positives and try to understand your parents.

Either way, it seems they are rejecting identity politics, not you.

I have gender critical beliefs but I also know they have been used as a wedge issue very consciously and intentionally by bad actors to split otherwise left leaning women off from the left wing parties. Radical feminism is absolutely the opposite of the misogynist gender attitudes of the far right but it's naive to pretend that people are not trying to use us.

Your problem is your parents, not Trump.

If they are so objectionable then why do you still visit them?

At least you grew up in an environment which made you happy to accept your own sexuality?

I could absolutely handle a difference of opinion in any relationship, family, friend or partner, what I couldn't live with is a difference in morals, especially when those morals are actively against me.

I would struggle to be near them again.

Yes I also thought that line was pretty ironic!

Loving anyone you want for me, but not for thee.

I don’t think people are becoming more right wing, I think they are becoming disillusioned and sick of the left telling them what they are “allowed” to notice, “allowed” to see and hear, “allowed” to think and feel, and “allowed” to say and do about it.

If a person isn’t willing to suppress who they are and offer up their senses, their minds, hearts, mouths and hands as tools to be used as part of a nebulous left wing agenda, then they are demonised and shamed publicly- marked and ostracised.

People who don’t want to be controlled by others are called ‘far right’ now, even if they believe in principles like free health care, redistribution of wealth, protection of the vulnerable and public ownership of utilities.

@Llhaaf for Prime Minster! 😁👏

This is actually really interesting and I can see this perspective. When does it feel like people must suppress who they are? Can you give any examples? it sounds frustrating.

You've said a lot about how you feel and what you think, but nothing about why your parents support Trump. Ask them, and try to see it from their point of view.
They've had a lifetime of working, paying bills and keeping a roof over your head. Their perspective is going to be different.

So?
They are entitled to "love" whoever they choose.
Btw, my husband and I are the same.
Go no contact.
😂

So to clarify: You are upset because you think they are intolerant, and your response is to model intolerant behaviour to them?

It is in a way par for the course when it comes to group solidarity to overcome a greater force. For example, Suffragettes going on hunger strike, going to prison and suffering force feeding for the sake of women’s rights. They suppressed their own need for food, comfort and freedom for the greater good.

When the suffragettes chose to endure this, they were conscious of what they were doing and why. Perhaps, at the time, some of the women hunger-striking and going to prison felt peer-group pressured into doing things they felt uncomfortable with - for the cause, but you get the sense it was their choice in the main.

Now we are in a situation where certain things are going downhill, standards of living are going down for some, communities are dissolving, schools are increasingly leant on for social engineering, rather than providing the best possible education. Here’s an example of how that can manifest:

If a person feels threatened and harassed by a large group of people who they share no common culture or language with, loitering outside a public facility, showing no respect for it and eyeing them up and down, they have two options:

1. Deny they feel threatened and harassed, deny they feel offended by the disrespect, deny they feel sad and angry that a part of their day which used to bring feelings of joy and pride in where they live, now fills them with dread and fear. Or -
2. Admit their true feelings.

If this person chooses option 1 then they feel like they are a good left wing person through self-repressingly reframing their feelings with approved left-wing thoughts and ideology.

If this person chooses option 2 and dares to openly express themselves, they will be called far right.

A voice of common sense! I enjoy being snarky about Trump, I admit it, but policy-wise I much prefer him to Kamala Harris.

Agree with @Llhaaf on this one. I think it's ridiculous that primary schools are pushing the LGBT agenda, let children be children! Time later to be concerned about all the rest. It's nobody's business. I do get that some kids will have gay or trans parents, and I do agree with teaching kids to not bully their peers because they're different. For me that is the important thing, given that orientation can be pretty fluid in children and teenagers.

If people here can’t see how Trump has risen from the ashes to an absolute landslide of an election win, then there is little hope that a Mumsnet post can help you understand. But here goes anyway, a snapshot of why so many people across the globe are veering right:

We are sick of the T in LGBT, we have had enough of men in dresses indulging their autogynephelia and leading vulnerable children into harming their bodies with puberty blockers, followed by mutilating their sexual organs.

We are sick of mentally unwell males roleplaying as women, whilst stripping us of the language that describes us as women. I am not a bleeder, a menustrator, a birthing person, a womb haver.

No, we don’t want a man in a dress to greet us at the door of a rape crisis centre in what may be the most distressing and vulnerable time of our lives.

No, we don’t want our children to be exposed at 7 years of age to teachers who share pronouns, encourage children to explore their “genders” or read books about why being trans is fun and normal.

No, we don’t want to comfort our broken hearted daughters who fought for a place at the table in sports only to be physically assaulted by a man in front of millions of people. Neither do we want them stripped of funding, awards, scholarships or medals by a man cosplaying as a woman.

Trump knows what a woman is, Farage knows what a woman is, all the right wing politicians that have been vilified for the left have slowly and quietly been amassing support from across the globe because they aren’t afraid of the leftist extreme. The reason you are seeing so many people “come out of the woodwork” in support of the right is because we have been to afraid to say much! The threats from the left, the accusations of bigotry and hatred. So we were quiet, we spoke in small circles with people we knew wouldn’t vilify us.

And this only scratches the surface. The economy, immigration, believing (shock horror) that abortion shouldn’t be a form of birth control!

Life has become bizarre, the inmates were running the asylum and frankly I am delighted that finally there is a grown up at the table who is willing to say “No sir, you have a dick, you’re not competing in the women’s olympics”

Your parents are level headed grown ups who see that the world was falling into a cesspit of wokery and they have said no more. Good on them!

I have to question where you get involved with “radical feminism” if you think we aren’t veering right? Who are you having these conversations with? Whilst we don’t agree with everything on the right, and we are not a monolith, we are absolutely agreeing on most issues. Take immigration, it’s become a radfem issue because of the shocking number of attacks on women by illegal immigrants. It’s not all about being gender critical, there are mountains of issues that are better handled by the right than the left.

I suggest you search out posie Parker’s and JK’s tweets over the past week.

I'm not a trump supporter but I just rewatched a clip where he said 'I am not against abortion. There are exceptions, rape, incest and health of the mother. But it's up to the states to decide'. From CNN.

My dad too. He is American and definitely voted him in. We just don't talk about it. I know it is mainly the fact he only gets his news from Fox and disbelieves anything else.

It must be challenging to be so tolerant and open minded that you can’t tolerate people thinking differently from you.

You sound very intolerant OP

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This idea he's a terrible homophobic racist sexist rapist fascist is proper propaganda“

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So do my in laws. They are not the sharpest knives in the drawer and every word out of their mouths is utter tosh. No contact for other reasons but not listening to them opine aggressively on politics is an added bonus.

BobLemon · Today 06:56

DH and I have both been increasingly surprised at how little regard our own parents have for the wider world - including their children and grandchildren - when casting their political votes

Completely recognise this. My mother actually told me when our youngest was just 3 and recently diagnosed with Asthma that she would rather her grandchildren died than drugs were tested on animals. Never got over that one.

I would be honest about how I felt. I would let them know how disappointed and disgusted I was that they could support a man like this and make it very clear how their political leanings had lead me to lose respect for them.

I think very often people don’t hear feedback on their political views from those they know and love and I think this is a mistake. If anyone is going to make us question our opinions and values it’s those around us, whose respect and love we care about.

Lots of short sighted people here saying ‘but they are entitled to their political beliefs’ etc. yes, they are entitled to have and express their political beliefs, no one is arguing this. You know what they aren’t entitled to? Having an expressing their political beliefs WITHOUT CRITICISM OR JUDGEMENT.

Political beliefs are an expression of a persons values, morals, ethics and world view. People should absolutely, one hundred percent be judged by their political beliefs and should absolutely face the consequences of holding those beliefs. I went low contact with my parents post Brexit after listening to the racist and ignorant rhetoric they spewed. I lost all respect for them. I don’t want my children subject to their prejudiced, hate filled views. They showed me who they were and I believed them and acted accordingly 🙌