To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

This from wiki

Far-right movements frequently target perceived threats to their idealized community, whether ethnic, religious, or cultural, leading to anti-immigrant sentiments, welfare chauvinism, and, in extreme cases, political violence or oppression.

Certainly Rwanda would fall into this definition, additionally the riots we saw over the summer, helped along by some of the usual suspects and their tweeting.

Is there an objective definition? A bit like who is wealthy and should pay more tax people will always think it is people further down the spectrum then themselves.

Nigel Farage and Reform will be going after the Labour vote. The Tories will not be his target, or a possible pact.

The Lib Dems will keep most of their seats too.

How are any of those things “far right”?

rather than just very standard boring middle of the road right wing positions?

Of course there isn’t. That my point.

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It was populist nonsense, stoked up to divide people without any hope of solving the complex problem. It was driven by a dislike of foreigners and was propelled onwards by authoritarian politicians who were delighted by the idea of riding roughshod over the rule of law, both international and domestic, who saw checks and balances and international commitments as nuisances to be steamrollered and were quite happy to subvert judicial indepence.

It was one of the worst policies in recent political history and has all the hallmarks of the extreme right.

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Australia has a centre left gov and their citizens won't vote similar out. Other countries will shift but the UK will be one of the last, we will see it in crossing numbers as we are comparatively easier and have no feasible policy.

Right now they have double the Labour share.

Deep argument bro tell me more?

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I see I am sparring with a political heavy weight here.

I have no idea what you mean @EasternStandard , your post does not make any sense

Calling people ‘Far right’ is used just to intimidate people and shut them up.

Then you don't know what the far right is.

It's not screaming racists waving swastikas and shouting HH. It's sensible men in suits who create scapegoats, remove the the rights of others first, then come for yours.

What? Share of what exactly?

Do your own research.

Do the pp think the Labor gov in Australia is far right?

Way too early to tell, a huge amount could happen between now and then. Labour definitely aren't doing great and are showing their lack of experience, but with any luck they'll take stock of where they're going wrong and adapt. They'll presumably notice the rest of the world moving rightwards so I would guess their policies will too. Indeed, the already seem to be - not many people would think things like abolishing winter fuel or clamping down on disability payments etc would be Labour ideas. And who knows who'll even be running in the next election - I don't think I'm expecting his cabinet to remain all that much longer, and I don't think I'd be the least bit surprised if Keir's turfed out soon after. The entire Labour front bench might be completely different in one year's time, let alone five.

Not taking sides but Forage and Badenough might indeed get in when Starmer and labour tie themselves in knots failing to address public concerns for fear of it making them look like they're abandoning principles they're desperately trying to look like they actually hold after abandoning so many others.

America voting in an absolute clown who conducted a campaign with one worthy principle bears that possibility out.

Biggest problem labour face is finding themselves in a tory hole and unable to stop digging because they've got to dig the country out of it whilst running the gauntlet of a hostile media owned by the same parasites who also own the tory party.

Very convenient that anyone reasonable can therefore be considered far right if you don’t agree with them.

It is my belief that wanting to deport immigrants to an unsafe third country is a far right political view.
I don't believe the Australian bill has made it to the statute books yet, it has been delayed a very long time. But I have to confess to not being totally up to speed on that.

It’s all subjective. We’ve had posters describing our current pretty middle of the road government as communists.

I think other people have pointed out that the Overton Window has moved so far to the right that the labour party here and in Australia are probably old world conservatives, otherwise they'd not be in power