To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

[MumtananoBay]

Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

Most people however do hate him. I won’t link it again having done so five times. He is not liked.

Serious fantasy there.

Time will change their opinion of him.
Now they have kemi to compare to...
Many c 's find her abhorrent.
Many c's are not right of the party.
So no it won't work.
Labour will get a second term.

Ok why?

intil then people loved him in case you missed it. His approvals were way higher than Keirs now?

C?

Time will change their opinion of him.

It could keep going down.
Kemi could go up

It's not known, a bit like the US election people can be sure their side will win, but then it's not the case

Not everyone hates Kier and a fair number of us would bite our fingers off before voting for either of that pair

It's far too early to call who will form the next government but I don't think labour will get two terms ... I think it's likely that if Kemi makes the right noises she will take reform votes and the conservatives will be back in. But anything could happen!

CONSERVATIVES

Most of his money comes from jobs outside parliament. As this is about to become banned I too wonder how long it will be before he resigns. If he’s still an MP at the next election I’ll be very surprised.

Could do.
I think it is too early days.
But I do know kemi won't be getting votes nor Farage.

A conservative party that is more middle and not far right, possibly.

The entire of the discourse around immigration, the watering down of protest rights, the attacks on science and media, the attempts to leave the ECHR and repeal the HRA, and that's just in the UK.

Sending refugees to Rwanda?

Well I certainly thought she was nervous and not prepared.
Op go and have a google or a skim through X for examples of far right, do you remember Rwanda? Imprisoning immigrants on the Bibi Stockholm? UKIP, Reform, Farage, trying to get rid of strikes, leaving the ECHR, constant headlines from the Daily fail and the like. It is everywhere.

I think it's too hard to say atm

Starmer's national security issue as he put it the other day could change things. As other countries shift right in relation to it I doubt we'll be immune and he doesn't have the policy that is feasible

Plus Farage's party did pretty well last time, with about half the votes of Labour

I do t consider that far right at all. Quite sensible frankly. Though really I know we will get ourselves out of the agreement that means refugees get in.
also, no bugger ever got sent.

@MumtananoBay
Just because you don't consider it to be an extreme far right course of action doesn't mean it isn't so.

Unlikely, the party does not get rid of leaders in opposition before they have a chance to fight an election. Last one was Ian Duncan Smith. Before that it was Neville Chamberlain.

LIke some new party called the Conservative Reformers?

That tells us a lot of about your views. Shipping those off who are escaping persecution is certainly to the right of the conservative position. How far right is obviously a spectrum - its not quite sinking the small boats.

Ah so what you consider far right always is but nothing I think isnt, is? Forgive me I’m confused. Please enlighten me to the objective definition of “far right”

I value our culture over and above economic migrants who have no intention of integrating and wish harm against our people and our country yes. In fact I value those things over and above people ostensibly escaping persecution. I think you’ll find public opinion is with me.

It might just catch on…

Its unlikely but you never know. Tommy Robinson will be out by then too.

I don’t think any of those things are far right

just perfectly sensible middle of the right policies that millions of people support.

also the political reporting today says she won todays PMQ.