To think Kemi and Nigel will likely win the next UK election after making a pact of some kind and fighting on an immigration / identity politics platform?

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Especially after Trump’s win today.

labour has a tiny lead at 27% today (6th nov, politico.eu polling )

tories have 27. Reform has 19.

so that’s a possible 46/27 which gives a right wing team up more MPs than Labour has now. (OFC in any pact they won’t get all those votes)

this Labour majority is paper thin. Everyone hates Keir.

This is bot crap. I’m out. I’ve never seen a British government in my lifetime with a majority over 100 that suddenly imploded.

Please tell me which one is unheard of or without precedent?

I mean, Covid was only 4 years ago - and that lead to the loss of a prime minister and ultimately the last election

It was AI that forgot that obvious fact.

ok easy

War in ukraine escalates, British troops enter the war, the TA is called up, it turns out we don;t have enough men and tanks - government falls

New pandemic. Government is unprepared, looks stupid, 100,000 people die, can be tracked back to bad management. Government falls.

War in china. UK asked to stick with USA, we agree, people on the streets, massive civil unrest - government falls

In what world do you not think these are highly possible in the next 2 years let alone 5?

I thought Kemi's sneering comment about Rachel Reeves being the first female chancellor being a 'pretty low bar' to be proud of was horrible. It's more than you've achieved love.

I haven't rtft but I recall reading an article on people paying more and traveling further to reach the US as it was seen to be easier

I think the UK will find it tougher as other countries get more hardline as we will be the easier option. And that will be the case now Trump is in

Not sure about what you propose though op, maybe

I'm not a particular fan of Starmer personally, but I'll take him over Badenoch/Farage any day. No contest.

Whether the UK will follow the US in electing a fascist government remains to be seen. I'd like to believe that we wouldn't, but there are a lot of far right fuckwits out there, so who knows.

Surely you are forgetting your intersectionality training... (sic)

Starmer is about as popular as herpes amongst people I know. His only redeeming characteristic - and the only thing that made him electable - was that he wasn’t the other lot, who were actually venal, as opposed to just a bit shit.

#nutshell

Christ I hope not.

It’s still early days for Labour, they could turn things round. I think they wait too long to announce the budget and their media management is awful. But surely no one wants a return to the shitshow that came before them?

I wouldn’t disagree with some of this but the idea that the sky will fall in due to geopolitical concerns is to display quite a measure of ignorance about UK history and politics. Precedent suggests the opposite

Fascism gained popularity and power after the previous worldwide pandemic too. It's happening again, history always repeats itself, first time as a tragedy, second time as a farce. With Trump and other clowns hailed by the far-right as saviour figures, we are well within farce territory.

If you mean Boris Johnson, it was his unfitness for office that led to his demise.
The Conservative Party’s general unfitness for office and poor management of just about everything led them to lose the election.

Everyone hates Keir.
I don't, and nobody I know does. Do you think it's useful to use hyperbolic language?
Everyone I meet don't necessarily agree with him, but 'hate'?
Also, 5 years is a long time in politics. Look at how popular the SNP were 5 years ago, for example.
Any number of things could happen.

I find it ironic that Tony Blair's labour government introduced university fees after promising they wouldn't during their election campaign. Keir promised to remove them during his and quelle surprise, has reneged on that promise. They're just as bad as the Tories. I'd take Kemi over Keir in a heartbeat.

Just because you live in a group think bubble does not mean the world agrees with you:

www.politico.eu/article/uk-keir-starmer-labour-suffers-historic-drop-in-approval-ratings/

Yes. Which was shown and magnified - because of Covid. Without Covid, he would still be leader now, having won the last election.

Yes and what with his cringeworthy gaffes such as calling Sunak Prime Minister repeatedly <no Starmer that is you, you knitwit> then of course his infamous release the sausages demand.
He is Biden mark 2.

I think you have a misunderstanding of the numbers. Once a party has seats in Parliament, then the popular vote, opinion polls, whatever don't matter. The only thing that can unseat a party leader is some shenanigans within their own party. Then another Labour leader becomes leader. The only way thete wont be a Labour majority is if over 150 Labpur MPs lose the whip or resign. That is not going to happen. Barring a massive scandal, the next election is 5 years away. The popular vote didn't matter under any of the previous governments with huge majorities on a minority vote, and it doesn't matter now.

Point at where the fascists and far right hurt you on the doll....

I don't see any far right. I don't see any fascists.

a massive scandal, a war, a deep and significant depression or hyperinflation, another worse pandemic, a worldwide internet outage that lasts weeks, a very large solar flare, a nuke going off in Tel Aviv

None of these things are out of the imagination, some of them are even quite likely given enough time.

I assure you I understand how it all works, I think you are way more trusting things not changing - however they do. All the time. And it is only getting faster

Stupid comment. The PM is never elected by the electorate, only by the party membership.

When you vote you vote for your local constituency, you don’t vote for the PM.

embarrassed?

Never voted Labour in my life but I don't hate Starmer. I'm really not happy about the budget and I think they may have made some errors but you know what they've only been in 6 months.

Having said that I will never vote for either Kemi or Nigel and if they did unite and then only way to keep them out of power is to vote Labour then (shudders) I would have to vote Labour