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To not invite my neighbours son to every play date

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anonymouse23 · 05/11/2024 20:45

I have a nearly 3yo DD. My neighbour, who I get on well with, has a 3yo DS. We generally get on well and , due to living next to each other , bump into each other a lot. We're also part of the same (small) group chat where most mornings one of the mums might ask what everyone is up to, does anyone want to go to the playground etc. If my neighbour finds out I've scheduled a play date and not invited her son she gets very annoyed. Even if it is with friends she doesn't know , because she feels I can / should just introduce them.

Here's the issue though: her son is quite spoilt, doesn't know the word "no", he hits other kids or snatches toys non stop and his mum (the neighbour) will just excuse it as "aw they're just kids" rather than teaching him if he can't play nicely he's taken home or other appropriate consequences.

I'll explain one incident that might show what it's like. I scheduled a play date with my friend, I know her from uni and she hasn't met my neighbour or any of the mums in the group chat. As I'm leaving, my neighbour and I bump into each other. She asks why I didn't respond on the group chat that morning whether I'd like to go to the playground - she's just about to go. I say I'm going for a play date etc and my neighbour seems baffled as to why I didn't suggest she should come. I guess I think it's weird at the time but say I'll ask my friend and she should come along, the play date is at a soft play so it's not like I can say "no you can't go" - it's a public place, she can go where she likes. During the play date mine and my uni friend's child were hit, kicked, pushed etc (yes all kids push and hit but not to this extent, and normally the mum intervenes whereas this mum just stands there looking at her son with an adoring smile and at best may say "that's not nice", would never physically remove him". When it was time to leave her son kept running away from her, she wouldn't put his coat on until he "allowed" her (we were sharing a car and even though I was driving, I can't just leave her stranded as it'd be difficult to get back). As a result my daughter was overtired for her nap and it was all a mess.
Many more examples like this.

Anyway, I'm seeing a different friend tomorrow, my neighbour actually asked if I'm free for the playground tomorrow morning and I vaguely said "no I'm busy". Now if she asks what I'm doing I don't want to lie (as may be found out with insta stories, driving, and just don't love lying) but equally I don't want her to tag along.

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Justcallmebebes · 05/11/2024 20:59

Why do you have to say you're going on a play date? Surely, if she asks why you're not going to the park or whatever, you just tell her you have other plans, meeting a friend etc.

She's an entitled pain, but you're feeding her. Be vague, bright and breezy and don't tell her your plans

HolyPeaches · 05/11/2024 21:01

one of the mums might ask what everyone is up to

You don’t have to reply.

You don’t have to tell them your specific plans or whereabouts.

You don’t have to invite your neighbour to your play dates.

YANBU. Just cut down all contact and hopefully she’ll get the message.

strawberry2017 · 05/11/2024 21:02

You can have your own friends and not include her. Just because your kids are the same age you don't have to invite them to everything.
You need to find a way you can comfortably say no now otherwise it will get worse. You can't force kid friendships. You need to teach your daughter that her feelings matter and if she doesn't want to play with him you can't make her so setting boundaries now will help you with this as she gets older.

Ambienteamber · 05/11/2024 21:05

You need to be assertive and have stronger boundaries here. It's completely fine to not invite her to things you are doing with people she doesn't know! Don't let her make you feel like it isn't.
Just say to her 'I'm meeting a friend'
And do not be afraid to say 'no' if she asks if she can join.
Just say 'no. Sorry it's just me and my friend having a catch up today'
I know it's hard as I'm a people pleaser myself but you can't please everyone all the time without becoming the slave of someone domineering like this woman.
You have to learn to sit with the uncomfortable feeling that you've made someone unhappy because you haven't done what they wanted.
You have a right to your own friends abd your own social life. That doesn't mean she's going to respect that though. So you will just need to straight up tell her no.

MrsKwazi · 05/11/2024 21:06

This sounds absolutely suffocating.

Just tell her you are meeting friends. She can be offended all she wants. Enforce your boundaries! If you are neighbours you’re going to have YEARS of this if you don’t draw a line somewhere. Wait till it gets to the school run in a couple of years she will drive you nuts!

RedRobyn2021 · 05/11/2024 21:06

My daughter is the same age and went through a phase of hitting/pushing and it was horrible. I felt like such a failure that I couldn't get her to stop.

I don't think it's on that she's not intervening, you should definitely say something to her about that, hitting and pushing are unsafe behaviour and she can calmly intervene. If she doesn't you should, the way you described you're both just stood there whilst he hits/snatches which is ridiculous

Agree with the comments about how you should just say you're meeting a friend if she asks, you don't need to do everything together fgs

Awkward that she's your neighbour though

theotherfossilsister · 05/11/2024 21:09

She sounds really difficult, but in some ways I feel sorry for her. She mustn't have many mum friends, maybe because of her son's behaviour. It isn't your problem though. You sound a bit too kind.

fashionqueen0123 · 05/11/2024 21:11

Why did you ask her to come to the soft play!

Tagyoureit · 05/11/2024 21:13

Fuck that, move house!

Genevieva · 05/11/2024 21:14

Don’t use the word play date. ‘I’m catching up with an old friend’ will do nicely.

Strugglingteacher · 05/11/2024 21:15

I would be honest about going on other play dates and if she asks to come I would just say, "I would have invited you but it's an old friend who I really want to catch up with" or something along those lines.

Whyherewego · 05/11/2024 21:16

Agree with PP, just say you're catching up with a friend. Another time you could say that something like

" my Daisy is in a bit of a phase at the moment so Im just doing 1 on 1 play dates for the time being rather than multiple kids. You know how it is! Anyway oh yes we can schedule a time for the 2 kids to play together ... but must dash now. Byeee"

Or if you want to tackle the issue

"Sorry, Daisy got a bit upset after our last playdate as I think Johnny got a bit exuberant with the toys. Maybe best they just play separately for a few days?"

FumingTRex · 05/11/2024 21:21

I think you need to be brazen. Im meeting a friend. No you cant come.

If you make excuses it will go on and on til you move house. If your children are likely to be at the same school then all the more reason to establish your boundaries now!

Changingplace · 05/11/2024 21:22

You need to not say you’re going on a ‘play date’ at all, it’s a bit weird you even did - why didn’t you say you were meeting an old friend?

Not all social interactions need to revolve around your kids, and it’s also none of her business, she sounds suffocating!

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 05/11/2024 21:24

Just tell her you're meeting a friend. If she asks to come along tell her no / your friend prefers one on one catchups or anything. Have a few stock phrases

Flumoxed · 05/11/2024 21:33

Stop framing everything around your daughter. Catching up with your uni friend isn't your daughter's playdate, its yours! "I'm catching up with a friend today" or "I have plans". It is unfair on your uni friend to bring other people along - what if she had a private medical condition or a family bereavement she wanted to talk to you about? Obviously you can't stop your neighbour from going to a soft play place, but you could've stopped her getting in your car! That's on you. Just say no next time.

"I've got some errands to do"
"I'm meeting a friend from uni for a catch up"
"I have a family thing on"
You absolutely do not have to invite the neighbour. The son's behaviour is irrelevant - he could be as good as gold, but that doesn't mean you have to have him around 24/7!

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 21:38

FumingTRex · 05/11/2024 21:21

I think you need to be brazen. Im meeting a friend. No you cant come.

If you make excuses it will go on and on til you move house. If your children are likely to be at the same school then all the more reason to establish your boundaries now!

Yes to this.

You don't have to keep on being nice to someone who is not actually very nice back, and you certainly don't have to wring your hands over potential ill feelings because this woman has a brass neck and the hide of a rhino.

Pull on your big girl knickers and stop trying to please everyone except yourself.

anxioussister · 05/11/2024 21:41

‘Oh hello - no not
free today, we’re meeting my old friend for a catch up, let’s go to the park next week’

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

Don’t invite her to things you don’t want her to come to - that’s entirely your fault - and actually not very kind.

It’s not loving to ‘tolerate people’ - find a healthy level of interaction for you and set boundaries outside of that!

GoldenLegend · 05/11/2024 21:41

I think 'no, I'm busy' is fine. If she complains again that you didn't invite her son, I'd just do a tinkly laugh and change the subject.

Kitkatfiend31 · 05/11/2024 21:44

I agree you need to say what you are doing not what your daughter is doing. I'm meeting a friend, I'm going to help a friend/family member, lots of jobs to do etc. If you say your going to the library and she wants to come say OK but I'll meet you there as can't wait around at the end like before. Pushy people get what they want because lots of us are too polite. Not today let's catch up next week... Etc

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 05/11/2024 21:45

agreed - stop saying “play date”.

“I’m meeting an old uni friend for a catch up.”

”I’ve got plans with an old friend.”

anonymouse23 · 05/11/2024 21:48

The thing is, if there's any stories posted on Instagram where my child is out playing with another child or (we don't live in a huge town) then I can easily be spotted by mutual acquaintances or she may go by accident to the same place.

I think you're right in that from now on I'll be vague and say I'm catching up with a friend

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FancyBiscuitsLevel · 05/11/2024 21:54

But you are catching up with an old friend, just because it’s at a child friendly place doesn’t make it any less of a meet up with your friend.

don’t say play date - because the primary reason isn’t for the dcs to play, but for you to meet your friend.

Changingplace · 05/11/2024 22:02

anonymouse23 · 05/11/2024 21:48

The thing is, if there's any stories posted on Instagram where my child is out playing with another child or (we don't live in a huge town) then I can easily be spotted by mutual acquaintances or she may go by accident to the same place.

I think you're right in that from now on I'll be vague and say I'm catching up with a friend

So? You need to get her to understand she doesn’t get invited everywhere with you, god she sounds intense that it’s worrying you that she might see a photo!

You do not have to answer to her, I’d back away a bit from this whole group chat thing in general because it all sounds a bit much…

BlackToes · 05/11/2024 22:05

in your shoes I’d just pick my DC up and give them lots of attention, taking my child away for a bit for refreshments or to play, creating space between the kids and ignoring the other child.

I had similar once and in the end said that I’m going to give my DC a break from your DC and hopefully things will be easier in a few weeks. We actually gave it a few months apart and things were much better when we next met up

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