Being 'held hostage' by "trans" teenage kids

[TryingToGetOrganised2]

In my day, we were goths and emos.

Nowadays, it's gender expression. Don't get me wrong, I am 100% behind the kids that truly feel they were born in the wrong body, but oh for goodness sake, it's not half the flipping population?!

There are a lot of kids who really have gender dysphoria, who I really feel for and support. However, I'm so fed up of being told I'm a transphobe, because I dare question and gently encourage soemone to unpick where their feelings come from. (Read: my own 17 year old son, who is autistic and doesn't know where he fits in the world)

The main military operation is my 16 year old daughter, who is, on the whole, a wonderful human whom I adore. She's just so far down this road of 'you can be anything you want, sod biology' that anyone who asks a question, is shot down and cut off, for having a (possibly) more rounded, adult perspective. She can't see further than her own underdeveloped frontal lobe, and it's driving me insane.

Of course, I'm presenting, gentle, measured, acceptance mum (which, of course - I truly am, if that's who you truly are!) But I feel like she's pushing my son into a lifestyle because he's questioned who he is. Am I being unreasonable to feel frustrated? Or should I suck it up and encourage my boy to be a girl, even though I don't really think it's what he actually wants?

Please be gentle. I've got 3 kids with autism and adhd, amd, having both myself, it's the blind leading the blind. I'm exhausted and just need a bit of support in either direction.

This is a way of teens being able to use the current fear of being labelled as a 'phobe' to manipulate and control their parents.

And it works, as the top down approach to sign people up to diversity and inclusion means everyone and their auntie are petrified of losing their jobs if they don't affirm.

The difference between goths, emos and now, is they weren't sterilising goths and emos by giving them 'off the book' drugs, or giving them cross sex hormones which will destroy their still developing bodies. The medical industrial complex will suck them up and if they don't, there are activists making the drugs in the bathtub and selling them on the black market.

In some instances, the parents have lost custody of their kids, so even more reason for parents to not object.

And if that isn't enough, the likes of Jeffrey Marsh, the creepy video guy, is promising to be their new family.

Once this gets into your family, unless you get them off the internet and back into the real world, you can only cross your fingers and hope for the best. But don't rely on the Scouts or Girl Guides to help, they will have cross dressing men and boys in with your daughters and they won't tell you a thing.

https://www.tiktok.com/@dr.jordan.b.peterson/video/7192374942019751174?lang=en

Peterson said that his research also showed that this group also includes mostly females. He said they are the same type of mindset as someone who is mega traditional and so ridgid that they won't deviate at all.

You have your work cut out for you OP, good luck.

It’s also hugely ironic. When we were young being Goth or Punk was explicitly counter culture. Counter establishment.

Nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to gender ideology. It couldn’t be MORE establishment, or less rebellious. Teachers have lost their minds and are teaching children something they knew to be dangerous nonsense only 5 minutes ago.

A young person announcing they’re ‘trans’ is rocketed to protected and celebrated status that young women can only dream of. Rocketed to stratospheric social status. Granted power to control the speech and behaviour of the adults around them in a way that would make Mao proud.

Genuine gender dystopia is vanishingly, vanishingly rare. And almost exclusively male. If it didn’t begin in very early toddlerhood, with persistence and insistence, it ain’t GD. It’s social contagion. And in many cases involving porn-soaked young men - autogynephilia. Sissy porn is very prevalent, and the misogyny of it is off every known scale.

Fat 50 year old men weren’t coming out as goths or emos. Teachers, politicians and big business weren’t bowing before goths or emos

I’ve often thought about how I might approach this with my own (currently younger) children. At present it feels the best approach is to be boringly accepting.

A bit like Eddie’s dm in Ab Fab, ‘are you dear, that’s lovely. What shall we have for dinner?’

https://youtube.com/shorts/7Xl4YnCuCNs?si=3k1FBbYTyqMHVqaD

Here he is talking about woke people being of the same type of mindset as ultra conservative people.

You are dealing with major rigidity with these people, combined with poor comprehension.

Goths and Emo was clothing, makeup and attitude, not hormones and surgery. Your daughter needs to focus on herself and butt out of her brother's life. Does she let him interfere in her life? Would she see the hypocrisy if you pointed it out?

This! ^

should I suck it up and encourage my boy to be a girl, even though I don't really think it's what he actually wants?

Your boy can’t be a girl. Boys can’t be girls and girls can’t be boys.

If your son wants to experiment with clothes, hairstyles, interests etc, then fine, but letting him think he can be something he’s not is absolutely not a fair or kind thing to do.

I’d suggest looking at Bayswater Support Group for more info.

Yep. We need to start challenging the assumption that a gender is something people actually have, rather than a set of regressive culturally constructed stereotypes about men and women.

Yes because you said "your daughter is more than capable of making up her own mind" - but the daughter is trying to make up her brother's mind. Not her own.
You're asking if she's being gentle with her daughter but it's her son who is questioning his gender.

If your children are young I think it’s best to inoculate them against this nonsense. Start telling them from as young as possible that it’s impossible to change sex, and point out the ridiculousness (and sexism) of saying that clothes make you a boy or girl. Tell them teachers will be silly and try and get them to believe that a boy can become a girl because things are a bit loopy at the moment, and that this time will be a ‘look at how batshit things got’ footnote in history akin to Caligula appointing a horse to his cabinet.

If you passively wait it will be too late to counteract the powerful conditioning/ grooming they’ll encounter from everywhere else

Don't know how that happened . Posted in wrong post.

Is that what the dd is encouraging her siblings to do @TryingToGetOrganised2 ?

Well, except for the fact that your daughter could end up with a double mastectomy and taking testosterone which is likely to damage her body and her brain, make her bones crumble and lead to a lifetime of medical problems. This is serious, scary stuff.

OP, is she ND? Most of the teens round here seem to be over the trans phase, except the ND young people. For them it offers an explanation of why they feel different and as if they don't fit in.

If he’s not asking to undergo treatment either hormonal or surgery then I would probably back down on any other “arguments” or “discussions” with your daughter or him and let him express himself how he feels comfortable. Very good friend’s teen living as a boy .. everyone has accepted no biggie.

To be honest I think the G
gender trend has run it's course.. Kids now are saying it's cringe & uncool to have your pronouns on your social media. Pronouns are only for middle aged politicians trying to be down with the kids 🤣
The children who are genuinely trans are still there but the majority have stopped jumping on the "trans wagon".. However I do feel teens have more empathy with the genuine ones plight.

Wouldn't even bother arguing with that one. They left a daft comment, a few people told them it was daft and instead of reflecting they've doubled down and got a bit stroppy.

Trans is a dangerous con.
It's sexist and homophobic.
They tell you it's 'progressive' but it's not a 'youth subculture' that has grown from the youth - it's actually being taught and imposed by the establishment onto our kids.
Protect your son and daughter from it.
Our kids are being caught up in it but it only benefits pharmaceutical companies and pervy blokes who get sexually aroused from dressing up as women and who are currently trashing every woman, lesbian and breastfeeding group they can access.

It's a mens rights movement and that's how it's managed to make so much traction, it's all for the benefit of mens jealousy and fetishes. That's why it's becoming so difficult to ignore and shut down. Goth,Emo, etc tended to be a section of the youth population, was centred around music, fashion and make up looks.
Trans is centred around grown men 98% of the time. It's centred around sex, fetishism, dominating language, spaces, women, free speech.

Completely different things to goth and emo and the way the youth are hopping on board is frightening.

It's so far removed from what it was pre GRA, it's ridiculous. I'm at the point I only believe maybe 1% have dysphoria.

Tell your DD very clear to back of her brother. I’d actually be very blunt and say ‘ do you want him to cut his penis off?’ Make it very clear this isn’t about her it’s about her brothers mental health a d you don’t sit back and let her teenage ego walk him down a path he can’t return from.

I’ve three girls and they think at that age they know everything but some times you have to tell them to STFU.

Regarding your son - my best friend of 40 years is going through the same thing. Her son has just gone to uni and she is scared to death because they are already trying to get their class in to him. So she is going up and spending a lot of time with. He is very scientificly minded so she is drawing from that and the impact of having autism and not feeling connected to society and out of place.

Horrible wretched time for vulnerable kids & teenagers

This pervasive, insidious contagion of children thinking they are "trans" is deeply harmful. People can live as they like and call themselves whatever name they would like and dress as they please but the idea that they can actually change sex is a harmful delusion and it is spreading amongst our children and they are being influenced and having this idea pushed on them by others.

I think this is great advice. I don't think as parents we can afford to pussy foot around it for fear of being considered "phobic" by our kids. We are not their friends; we are their parents.

You're the parent, enough of this gentle nonsense, if my son was encouraging his autistic brother like this I would be livid and would come down on it in the same way as if I felt he was bullying him, he's vulnerable.

We've been talking about this gender stuff as a family for years now (we've had to since my eldest came home from school aged 5 telling me boys can be girls and girls can be boys) and thankfully it seems to be counteracting the nonsense outside the house, helped by this furry nonsense which has further shone a light on the ridiculousness of it all. I suppose my only advice it is stop treading on egg shells with it all, I've made it quite clear how infuriating and insulting the whole nonsense is.