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Saw a child with mum trick or treating at 11:20pm (school night here)

222 replies

fmla · 01/11/2024 06:51

I was about to go to bed. Noticed outside was a girl aged 5-7 wearing a Halloween outfit with several of those one off glow necklaces (that made me draw attention to begin with) with her mum. They were going to paths to houses and knocked on a couple of doors.

Who in their right minds will answer the door that time of night, unless you are expecting it - member of household returning back from work etc or ordering that very late takeout delivery?

Half term was last week here. It's not acceptable for a young child to be out that time plus some of the streetlights switch off at 11pm. It doesn't matter if its half term or not,

If the mum was working until, say 9pm, then she should arrange with DD's friends' parents to go round with them. If that is the case that she finished work, who looked after DD after school?

OP posts:
flowersintheatticus · 01/11/2024 10:20

Not ideal, wanted or expected but not dangerous. The child was with her parent. The child may have adhd and sleeps past midnight anyway (clutching at straws here) so it won't be the case they are in bed anyway.
I've recently moved to a very deprived area and the etiquette is very different. In my previous home there were unwritten rules of no decor/no knocking but for the past week or so I've had children knocking looking sweets, often unaccompanied in the dark. Last night there wasn't just knocking, but persistent banging of the letterbox (and this was with parents in tow!) and it must have happened about 30 times.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 10:21

Up to the mum what time she is out and about with the child although my personal opinion is that a child that age should be in bed at that time unless exceptional circumstances/one off for a special reason.

however knocking on people’s doors at that time is totally unacceptable and inconsiderate to others.

nam3c4ang3 · 01/11/2024 10:24

Maybe she's a vampire and she only can go out late at night 😂

NoOffButton · 01/11/2024 10:25

I'm sure there was another explanation. Most people would be in bed by that time....The latest we've ever had trick or treaters is around 9pm and that was a neighbour's teenage dd who'd clearly just spent hours doing her amazing Halloween make up.

x2boys · 01/11/2024 10:28

flowersintheatticus · 01/11/2024 10:20

Not ideal, wanted or expected but not dangerous. The child was with her parent. The child may have adhd and sleeps past midnight anyway (clutching at straws here) so it won't be the case they are in bed anyway.
I've recently moved to a very deprived area and the etiquette is very different. In my previous home there were unwritten rules of no decor/no knocking but for the past week or so I've had children knocking looking sweets, often unaccompanied in the dark. Last night there wasn't just knocking, but persistent banging of the letterbox (and this was with parents in tow!) and it must have happened about 30 times.

And?
My son is severely autistic, he sleeps well now but didnt when he was younger ,I wouldn't have dreamed of knocking on random doors at that time because he couldn't sleep.

TofuTart · 01/11/2024 10:32

Bakingandcrying · 01/11/2024 07:11

This. You never know someone’s circumstances. I find it more bizarre that you spend your free time coming on the internet to slag off a stranger you know nothing about

Yes, you never know people's circumstances.
So you shouldn't be knocking on doors at half past bloody eleven at night. Nowhere has it said that they were only knocking on doors of people that they know, or that they were only out that late as maybe they had to go for an x ray as she hurt herself 😕
Seeing as we're making all these assumptions, maybe a pigeon flew down, stole all their watches and clocks so they didn't realise the time and that's why they were out so late.

x2boys · 01/11/2024 10:36

TofuTart · 01/11/2024 10:32

Yes, you never know people's circumstances.
So you shouldn't be knocking on doors at half past bloody eleven at night. Nowhere has it said that they were only knocking on doors of people that they know, or that they were only out that late as maybe they had to go for an x ray as she hurt herself 😕
Seeing as we're making all these assumptions, maybe a pigeon flew down, stole all their watches and clocks so they didn't realise the time and that's why they were out so late.

🤣🤣🤣

x2boys · 01/11/2024 10:40

MaggieBsBoat · 01/11/2024 10:05

This. Do you know what’s going on in their lives?
Maybe the child is ND and had a meltdown earlier and the mum didn’t want them to miss out so still took them out later?
Maybe the mum is a single parent and worked late and didn’t want the child let down.
Maybe the child has no friend group to go out with and mum didn’t want the child let down but could t go out earlier?
Maybe the child and mum are foreign and didn’t know that it’s usually earlier?

Whatever, all those are still a mum who cares. Get over yourself.

Having a ND child doesn't mean you can do whatever you want
Had they knocked on my door and disturbed my own severely autistic teen ,it would becme that took the brunt of frustration and anger .

Bigstyle · 01/11/2024 10:43

You've no idea what you actually saw. It could have been someone who desperately needed help trying to get it from neighbours, it could have been something pre arranged with the residents.

MrsSunshine2b · 01/11/2024 10:49

Maray1967 · 01/11/2024 07:34

Making an effort? A child that age should be in bed on a school night!!!!

Even if she’s homeschooled she should still be in bed.

And expecting people to answer doors at that time is insane.

It's not a school night, and why on earth does it matter what time a home educated child go to bed?

x2boys · 01/11/2024 10:58

MrsSunshine2b · 01/11/2024 10:49

It's not a school night, and why on earth does it matter what time a home educated child go to bed?

I couldn't care less what time other people, s kids go to bed but I wouldn't be impressed at them knocking on my door at gone 11 at night.

CellophaneFlower · 01/11/2024 10:59

MrsSunshine2b · 01/11/2024 10:49

It's not a school night, and why on earth does it matter what time a home educated child go to bed?

It WAS a school night, but that's irrelevant anyway.

MintTwirl · 01/11/2024 11:04

It’s so weird how people want to argue over this situation that really nobody knows anything about. It might be a school night or maybe that child doesn’t go to school or is from a different area, they might have been knocking on strangers doors or it could have been someone they knew. Who knows?

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 11:12

MrsSunshine2b · 01/11/2024 10:49

It's not a school night, and why on earth does it matter what time a home educated child go to bed?

The op said it is a school night

MintTwirl · 01/11/2024 11:14

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 11:12

The op said it is a school night

But the OP doesn’t know the child, where they live, what school they attend, that’s if they attend school at all. So it doesn’t really matter what the OP says.

wombat15 · 01/11/2024 11:17

CellophaneFlower · 01/11/2024 10:59

It WAS a school night, but that's irrelevant anyway.

OP doesn't know what school the child goes to and would have no idea if it was a school night, just as she doesn't know if the child was going to the House of people she knew and were expecting her.

No33 · 01/11/2024 11:18

Feels like it brings the worst out in people.

I left a tin with sweets out, because I am unwell and didn't want to be up and down.

Caught a parent on camera telling her kid to take them all. The kid didn't want to, but in the end did as was told, while the mum shouted 'trick or treat very loudly while laughing'

Won't bother next year.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 11:18

MintTwirl · 01/11/2024 11:14

But the OP doesn’t know the child, where they live, what school they attend, that’s if they attend school at all. So it doesn’t really matter what the OP says.

Ok but it is for the majority of families in the area so that makes knocking on random doors at that time worse (although it still would be bad on a non school night)

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 11:19

No33 · 01/11/2024 11:18

Feels like it brings the worst out in people.

I left a tin with sweets out, because I am unwell and didn't want to be up and down.

Caught a parent on camera telling her kid to take them all. The kid didn't want to, but in the end did as was told, while the mum shouted 'trick or treat very loudly while laughing'

Won't bother next year.

That mum is terrible. Good on the child for not wanting to but it’s shame that they are being taught to behave badly.

MintTwirl · 01/11/2024 11:21

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 01/11/2024 11:18

Ok but it is for the majority of families in the area so that makes knocking on random doors at that time worse (although it still would be bad on a non school night)

But the OP doesn’t know that they were knocking on strangers doors? They could easily be going to the house of someone they know and had prearranged it with for whatever reason.

The lack of critical thinking skills is quite scary.

Screamingabdabz · 01/11/2024 11:22

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 01/11/2024 07:01

And you decided to come here and post a thread on it slating the mum who was at least making an effort with her kid?

Well done? Feel better about yourself?

Are you for real? ‘Making an effort’? Nah. That child needed to be in bed. There is no excuse to be dragging a child out in the cold at that time of night.

CellophaneFlower · 01/11/2024 11:23

No33 · 01/11/2024 11:18

Feels like it brings the worst out in people.

I left a tin with sweets out, because I am unwell and didn't want to be up and down.

Caught a parent on camera telling her kid to take them all. The kid didn't want to, but in the end did as was told, while the mum shouted 'trick or treat very loudly while laughing'

Won't bother next year.

One guy answered the door to us and told my 2 to take the lot if they wanted (obviously I didn't let them). He said he couldn't be bothered to keep getting up but his wife wouldn't let him leave the bowl out in case it got stolen. I laughed at the thought... until our own bowl got stolen later on 😱

LoremIpsumCici · 01/11/2024 11:25

“But the OP doesn’t know that they were knocking on strangers doors? They could easily be going to the house of someone they know and had prearranged it with for whatever reason.”

The houses were “in total darkness.”
Who doesn’t turn on lights when expecting visitors?

“The lack of critical thinking skills is quite scary.”
That I can agree with.

Screamingabdabz · 01/11/2024 11:26

DebbyDance · 01/11/2024 08:57

My mother let me watch gory drama like 'The Equaliser' after 10pm on weekday nights in the 1980s - I would hate to think that there were nosy intrusive people back then sticking their oar in and judging - But back then people were more resilient and certainly didn't judge like they do today.

Entirely different. 🙄

Why should people ‘not judge’ when it comes to child welfare?

MintTwirl · 01/11/2024 11:28

LoremIpsumCici · 01/11/2024 11:25

“But the OP doesn’t know that they were knocking on strangers doors? They could easily be going to the house of someone they know and had prearranged it with for whatever reason.”

The houses were “in total darkness.”
Who doesn’t turn on lights when expecting visitors?

“The lack of critical thinking skills is quite scary.”
That I can agree with.

Which post does the OP say the houses were in total darkness?

Edited to add I found out now. Drip feed that one house was in darkness, after people commented quite sensibly that it may have been prearranged and not condemning the woman as the OP so badly wanted.