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NMW to increase again next year to £12.21 ph.

810 replies

ZoeZee · 29/10/2024 19:51

If you’ve not had a pay rise this year, despite bringing it up to your employer, and now there’s set to be another 6% NMW increase next year (which is fantastic, don’t get me wrong) the pay gap is narrowing ever more between skilled/unskilled employees.

Skilled and those with MANY years of experience, might as ditch their responsible/stressful jobs (which often keep you awake at night) and look for something that doesn’t have the added responsibility?

Almost 20 years experience means nothing to some employers! AIBU?

Any employers who have a view on this increase, please let me know how this might affect you and your staff.

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Lucy25 · 31/10/2024 16:12

CoatRack · 31/10/2024 10:38

I didn't say it was new information, though it may have been new to the person I responded to.

Were you not trying to diminish my point?

If so, then this implies that you're in favour of accelerating the problem I described.
If not, then I have to wonder why you bothered saying anything at all. Is the grass still green where you are?

Am l trying to diminish your point
Is the grass still green where l am😂
It’s all getting a bit lost in translation now and getting a bit silly.I’ve already explained my point, that your point was blatantly obvious, nothing new.I commented because you were explaining in a condescending manner to another poster, which seems to be a running theme.
And no, l won’t be bothering to respond to any more of your tags.

CoatRack · 31/10/2024 16:26

Lucy25 · 31/10/2024 16:12

Am l trying to diminish your point
Is the grass still green where l am😂
It’s all getting a bit lost in translation now and getting a bit silly.I’ve already explained my point, that your point was blatantly obvious, nothing new.I commented because you were explaining in a condescending manner to another poster, which seems to be a running theme.
And no, l won’t be bothering to respond to any more of your tags.

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Freeyourminds · 31/10/2024 17:01

How old are some people on here, 10🙄

LadyPoison · 31/10/2024 17:12

hamsterchump · 31/10/2024 14:48

This sounds like a sensible decision, you should employ anyone if you don't think you can afford to pay them.

I could afford to pay them but the NIC cost has rocketed too. The NMW is just adding more to thatbut I can't afford to pay them if they go sick on Day 1 or claim paternity leave from Day I or want to work from home 2 days a week when I need then onsite

You clearly have no experience of running a very small business

husbandcookingtonight · 31/10/2024 17:42

MikeRafone · 31/10/2024 13:45

Sadly the more you pay people the more everything costs it's a vicious circle and it's never going to end.

then why has everything gone up in price when wages stagnated?

War in Ukraine and impact on fuel prices

NewstartOct2024 · 31/10/2024 20:23

buffyspikefaith · 31/10/2024 11:02

MN "100k is nothing now"
Also MN "why do people need more than £12ph, that's plenty"

Indeed.

Strange isn't it.

IDontHateRainbows · 31/10/2024 20:56

husbandcookingtonight · 31/10/2024 17:42

War in Ukraine and impact on fuel prices

Printing money during the pandemic too

hamsterchump · 31/10/2024 21:55

LadyPoison · 31/10/2024 17:12

I could afford to pay them but the NIC cost has rocketed too. The NMW is just adding more to thatbut I can't afford to pay them if they go sick on Day 1 or claim paternity leave from Day I or want to work from home 2 days a week when I need then onsite

You clearly have no experience of running a very small business

So either way you can't afford to employ anyone at the moment and you obviously don't have any contingency to deal with any uncertainty that might involve either. Maybe you will be able to in the future if your business improves or maybe you can just go on as you are. Not all businesses are destined to expand.

ZoeZee · 01/11/2024 12:29

You seem like a really decent employer.

Sadly, even after discussions earlier this year when the NMW increased, I’m still waiting for a wage review, have been given the runaround. Then again, it’s no real surprise knowing the person he is.

I am actively looking for another job.

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ZoeZee · 01/11/2024 12:30

Sorry, post was for @BinkyBeaufort

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justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:35

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children. That's the reality.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 13:39

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:35

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children. That's the reality.

Ooh. Careful. He can't just pick people for that reason! I'm presuming this isn't true.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 13:39

Ooh. Careful. He can't just pick people for that reason! I'm presuming this isn't true.

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

hamsterchump · 01/11/2024 13:53

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

Might be a good idea to tell your son to have a read up on the rules around redundancy, he sounds a bit clueless. I hope his employee is entitled to a good pay out and finds new work quickly.

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 13:59

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

Was she employed before them or after? Just usually it is last in, first out.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:14

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 13:45

It's true, she's part time doing university to increase her knowledge. He can't afford her once she's qualified.

You cannot make someone redundant because they don't have a family. It is against the law.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:16

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children

This is against the law. Presumably as I mentioned, this is not true - ie not the reason for making her redundant.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 16:38

IVFmumoftwo · 01/11/2024 13:59

Was she employed before them or after? Just usually it is last in, first out.

Last in.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:44

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 16:38

Last in.

OK, so she's being let go for that reason then and not because she's unmarried.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 16:44

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 14:16

My son is looking at every employee and who has to go. He's decided on an employee who is young unmarried to protect the other two who are married with children

This is against the law. Presumably as I mentioned, this is not true - ie not the reason for making her redundant.

But we all know things like this happen. You wouldn't be able to prove that was the reason.

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 16:44

But we all know things like this happen. You wouldn't be able to prove that was the reason.

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 01/11/2024 17:10

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

The reason will be that they can no longer afford to pay her. You are naive if you think that only lawful decisions get made.

DanielaDressen · 01/11/2024 17:15

Blanketyre · 01/11/2024 16:46

The process of making someone redundant is long and onerous. She could take them to a tribunal and win if they didn't provide clear and legal reasoning.

Doesn't seem very onerous or particularly long from where I am, working for a very large organisation with a clued up HR team who have made people redundant and looks like we are gearing up for round 2. As long as they do things by the book with the right consultation period, etc they can say that need to make cost savings and get rid of people. I've been through it in a few different companies.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:15

She's on a zero hours contract until she gets her degree because her hours vary depending on her study work load.

It's a pity but what's the alternative.

justasking111 · 01/11/2024 17:20

DanielaDressen · 01/11/2024 17:15

Doesn't seem very onerous or particularly long from where I am, working for a very large organisation with a clued up HR team who have made people redundant and looks like we are gearing up for round 2. As long as they do things by the book with the right consultation period, etc they can say that need to make cost savings and get rid of people. I've been through it in a few different companies.

I worked for a hotel group whose investors were Kuwaiti. Their assets were frozen during the gulf war. The redundancies were ferocious. Most of the managers across the group got the boot on the same day. It was awful.

Companies sometimes have to do this, no-one enjoys it.