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To think I can skip MIL's 60th bday

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anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:10

MIL is turning 60 and I'm turning 30 in the same week. Going out for a meal for both birthdays. My DC is a toddler so wouldn't be a good idea to take them to an evening celebration meal because we'd like to go somewhere "fancy" and naturally whenever DC is out for a meal with us due to their age it's hard to maintain a conversation with grownups, more like you get distracted every 2 seconds because either a wipe is needed or they want help feeding or they want to point out how orange the carrot on their plate is etc. Everyone (ie myself, guests, toddler) would be happier is the toddler stayed at home with the nanny whilst we go for the celebration meal.

We have a nanny who does 9-2 a few days a week, she doesn't love doing evening babysitting as she has her own children, is a single mum and (understandably) wants to spend evenings with them. However she's kindly agreed to babysit on one of the dates, up to us which one. We have a great relationship with the nanny, she's absolutely amazing and I don't want to pressure her if she's said that it's once per month max.

PILs are coming down for the weekend from their hometown (a few hours away) and MIL said she'd like to go out for dinner for her birthday. I can't be both at my own birthday dinner and at hers because we only have childcare for one of the evenings. I've said I can join them with DC if it's something like afternoon tea, or we can join for dinner and just have starters then leave (as DC wouldn't stay seated much longer, will want to run around, as it's one of those slow service, fancy restaurant) or we go somewhere more relaxed / not as fancy and I'm happy to be the one doing all child related duties at the dinner (ie passing the wipes to DC when requested, taking them to the toilet, maintaining chat with them or doing colouring so they're entertained). None of these suit. I'm also happy sitting this one out, but the idea is outrageous for MIL and DH because it's MIL's 60th, super important that everyone is there. She wants to go somewhere fancy without the baby but with me there. My husband insists that in this case I should ask the babysitter to cover MIL's birthday and he will just not attend my birthday - I go with just my parents and siblings. I think that's ridiculous - your spouse is a closer relation than a PIL, it's my 30th just as much as it's her 60th.

I'll add that MIL and I don't get on amazingly. We're civil, we can maintain a conversation but due to being very different people, me not being treated particularly kindly by her through pregnancy and postpartum and a few other things, we aren't besties. I think she also doesn't love a few things about me, small things like wishing DH married someone significantly younger (we're same age) and doesn't love that we do one parent one language with me speaking the minority language (ie I speak to my child predominantly in a language she does understand but is by no means fluent in, it's a common tactic to make a child bilingual) but it's nothing like hate or wanting to not be in each others lives.

Except the nanny there's not really many babysitting options - my parents are older and couldn't really cope with an energetic toddler for a whole evening / wouldn't want to, siblings don't live particularly close so it would make it logistically difficult, DC would cry the whole time with MIL if she babysat and shes somewhat disinterested so I doubt she'd want to babysit either.

AIBU to want to either skip MIL's birthday or do one of the other options I've suggested - a more relaxed restaurant, an earlier meal like lunch or afternoon tea or leave halfway through the meal? As opposed to having my husband be absent at my own 30th.

OP posts:
EdgarAllenRaven · 28/10/2024 22:42

I have a solution!
Is there anyone from the toddler’s Nursery or playgroup who would welcome some extra cash babysitting…?! Or basically any other adult they know and are safe with? A neighbour/friend for a couple of hours?

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:43

@Flossflower did you allow your children to go to friends without you, or to sleepovers?

I find these arguments very patronising, with the posters who never use agencies etc judging more relaxed parents. The Lucy Letby comment is a perfect example, I'm so much better a parent than you because I see danger in everything.

My personal view is this level of child centric catastrophising and obsession is damaging. If others want to do it crack on, but don't look down your noses at us who feel a more relaxed and trusting upbringing is better. Plus I don't want my children to 'cry for mummy', I want them feel happy and safe with a wider group of carers

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:43

SillySeal · 28/10/2024 22:40

I do understand where you are coming from. I also would never use an agency sitter and had very few people close to me whom I could rely on.

Your mil also sounds like mine. I am expected to attend certain things basically because it looks good for her if she's surrounded by all her children and in laws on these occasions but she barely acknowledges us the rest of the time.

I would be keeping my 30th as it is. It is a special birthday and you have the right to chose how you spend it. If my dh said he wouldn't be attending so he could use the sitter for mil, that would cause a huge rift. Have you asked him why he feels it's more important to attend his mums 60th than his wife's 30th?

I would also give her your suggestions and say take it or leave it. You seem to have given her a few ideas. However, whilst you are within your rights to have what you want for your birthday, so is she and if she wants the fancy meal then unfortunately you will need to take dc. I've taken babies and toddlers to expensive restaurants many times. Yes it's not the same but it can still be a lovely experience. I honestly don't know what is wrong with taking the toddler and saying to mil you will attend with dc and see how he gets on but if he gets fed up you will be making your apologies and leaving early.

It might sound selfish to some to not drop everything for mil but I rarely get any time to myself and I don't usually celebrate my birthday much so if I wanted to celebrate a special one then I would.

I would very happily take DC to a fancy restaurant for MIL. Presumably I'd be leaving after the starters because DC wouldn't last much longer, but equally I'd stay longer if it's all working out fine. I'm happy to be on childcare duty and be the one passing wipes, taking DC to the bathroom, doing stickers the whole dinner but I don't think that's the vibe MIL wants. She gets easily irritated by kids of that age and wouldn't want DC to spill anything, cry, want to get up and run around, be messy with his food... and that's kind of inevitable at this age.

OP posts:
Keroppi · 28/10/2024 22:43

Just set expectations now and make the decision to skip her 60th so you can confirm with the nanny
Sorry I'd love to be there MIL but childcare blah blah, how about I treat you to a spa day/lunch/drinks out/national trust day out/ whatever next week, hope you have a great time, etc etc

DH can pay it as his gift to her or something

I never did agency babysitters or randoms with any of my dc. Especially not that young. So I don't blame you on that

theeyeofdoe · 28/10/2024 22:44

StillAtTheRestaurant · 28/10/2024 20:13

YANBU but why can't you do lunch/afternoon tea/a more relaxed dinner for your own birthday meal? It sounds like you're expecting MIL to compromise when the easiest thing to do would be to make your own celebrations something you can take DC to.

Edited

Why should she compromise for her own birthday?

Dawevi · 28/10/2024 22:45

YABU. You're being deliberately difficult because you don't want to go and you think you've got a great excuse, but you don't.

Your nanny will know other nannies and at hearty one of those nannies will be happy to babysit for you. Or you can get on your local Facebook group and get recommendations for a good local babysitter.

You have a toddler not a newborn, they will be fine with someone new, and if they won't go to sleep for someone other than you or the nanny (mine never would) it won't kill them to be still up when you get home after the meal at 11/12.

If this was something you wanted to go to then you would be finding a way. If I was your husband I would be pissed off with you.

FlippityFloppityFlump · 28/10/2024 22:45

Several people have suggested your parents for familiarity with an agency babysitter to do more of the work. The fact you say this isn't suitable shows you do not want a solution and are making excuses

I would be very upset if my DH made excuses not to come to my Mum's significant birthday.

Why shouldn't MIL have a night out in a fancy restaurant with her adult family and their partners present? You want a childfree night out with family present!

You are coming across as very me, me, me

Dawevi · 28/10/2024 22:45

I do think mil is being difficult as well though.

KnittingKnewbie · 28/10/2024 22:46

This thread is nuts!!
OP has tried so many options and MIL only wants OP there without her child. OP has no babysitter. Parents not able, nanny not willing for whatever reason. And who leaves their children with a total stranger (agency nanny)?
I cannot get over how many people think OP is unreasonable when she has no childcare and given the MIL so many alternatives.
It's not OP insisting MIL includes her, it's MIL insisting OP goes without the toddler

Frozensnow · 28/10/2024 22:47

I think yanbu at all. It’s your birthday too. You should have a lovely meal without running after a toddler. You’ve given options for mil- either you come with toddler or dh just goes alone. Your dh should be at your birthday meal- sounds like he’s just trying to placate his mum who’s being difficult.

I don’t think yabu re the babysitters either. I wouldn’t use someone I’ve never met before from an agency to babysit my kids. And you know your own parents would struggle. And your baby wouldn’t settle with mil which would mean you couldn’t relax at your own meal

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:47

KnittingKnewbie · 28/10/2024 22:46

This thread is nuts!!
OP has tried so many options and MIL only wants OP there without her child. OP has no babysitter. Parents not able, nanny not willing for whatever reason. And who leaves their children with a total stranger (agency nanny)?
I cannot get over how many people think OP is unreasonable when she has no childcare and given the MIL so many alternatives.
It's not OP insisting MIL includes her, it's MIL insisting OP goes without the toddler

Err the fact 'agency nanny' is a thing would suggest a good few people are happy to trust them

mikulkin · 28/10/2024 22:48

OP, someone suggested above, even if it is logistically difficult ask your sibling to babysit.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/10/2024 22:48

TianasBayou · 28/10/2024 20:35

Go out for one meal to celebrate both birthdays?

Seems obvious to me, too.

GoldenPheasant · 28/10/2024 22:48

Could your daughter stay overnight at your nanny's so she doesn't have to find a sitter for her own children?

thing47 · 28/10/2024 22:48

None of those suitable for MIL

But what does this mean @anonymoush? They don't have to be suitable for your MIL, where you and your toddler are concerned they only have to be suitable for you. You're nearly 30, all grown up, your MIL doesn't get to insist on your presence.

You seem perfectly capable of being stroppy exerting your boundaries with posters on this thread, so channel some of that attitude and just repeat the options. 'These are you choices MIL. It can be earlier in the day / less formal / without me / with me but also with toddler. Pick the one you like best, there aren't any others.'

GoldenPheasant · 28/10/2024 22:49

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:24

Because it's my birthday and I deserve a relaxed evening off childcare

Have the relaxed evening off when you go out for MIL's birthday?

CrystalSea · 28/10/2024 22:50

I don’t really understand the point of this thread. You’ve made your decision already.

Josette77 · 28/10/2024 22:50

Your toddler will be fine staying with a disinterested grandma for a few hours.

Or I would boom your party for later at night, put toddler to bed and then go out. Your parents can stay with her then. Or have nanny put her down and parents stay.

Or, have nanny bring her kids for the night, or take DD home for the night, and pay an overnight fee.

Justtakenthebait789 · 28/10/2024 22:51

I can’t believe some of the answers on here!

I am turning sixty soon and I wouldn’t dream of making such a silly fuss about my birthday!

In this situation it would be completely natural to me to work around my dil’s 30th birthday! And as the mother of a young child, of course her arrangements would take priority, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t! In our family, all help goes to supporting mothers of young dc; bc that is when support is most needed!

And of course it’s more important that my dil celebrates her 30th birthday. That really is a milestone! I have celebrated my 30th, 40th and 50th and would be perfectly happy moving my 60th birthday to the afternoon or another day to suit everyone else.

And your dh is facilitating your mil’s selfish behaviour op. I think you are more than justified in feeling upset about that!

And quite right that you prioritise the safe-guarding of your toddler and not engage total strangers to look after her. As a mil I would totally support that decision; not rail against it!

Frozensnow · 28/10/2024 22:54

GoldenPheasant · 28/10/2024 22:49

Have the relaxed evening off when you go out for MIL's birthday?

Why shouldn’t she have it for her own birthday though? Mil can have a nice relaxing meal whenever she likes, OP can’t

Frozensnow · 28/10/2024 22:55

Justtakenthebait789 · 28/10/2024 22:51

I can’t believe some of the answers on here!

I am turning sixty soon and I wouldn’t dream of making such a silly fuss about my birthday!

In this situation it would be completely natural to me to work around my dil’s 30th birthday! And as the mother of a young child, of course her arrangements would take priority, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t! In our family, all help goes to supporting mothers of young dc; bc that is when support is most needed!

And of course it’s more important that my dil celebrates her 30th birthday. That really is a milestone! I have celebrated my 30th, 40th and 50th and would be perfectly happy moving my 60th birthday to the afternoon or another day to suit everyone else.

And your dh is facilitating your mil’s selfish behaviour op. I think you are more than justified in feeling upset about that!

And quite right that you prioritise the safe-guarding of your toddler and not engage total strangers to look after her. As a mil I would totally support that decision; not rail against it!

You sound like a lovely mil

Miffylou · 28/10/2024 22:55

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:13

Life may be short but I want DC to reach adulthood and be in safe environments at all times. That's why I won't leave a toddler with an agency babysitter

Oh for goodness sake! Ask a friend then. Or ask a friend for the name of a babysitter they recommend, and introduce them to your DC beforehand. Or put the toddler to bed yourself, with your parents helping, and then go out, leaving your parents there. What’s the worst that could happen? Your DC wakes up and finds his/her grandparents/"Mummy's friend" still there?

Flossflower · 28/10/2024 22:56

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:43

@Flossflower did you allow your children to go to friends without you, or to sleepovers?

I find these arguments very patronising, with the posters who never use agencies etc judging more relaxed parents. The Lucy Letby comment is a perfect example, I'm so much better a parent than you because I see danger in everything.

My personal view is this level of child centric catastrophising and obsession is damaging. If others want to do it crack on, but don't look down your noses at us who feel a more relaxed and trusting upbringing is better. Plus I don't want my children to 'cry for mummy', I want them feel happy and safe with a wider group of carers

Yes of course my children went friend‘s houses. This was after they started school so around 4/5. They went to sleepovers later. I just would not leave them with strangers. My children were absolutely fine starting nursery and school. and they both had loads of friends and still do.
No where did I criticise parents who don’t feel the same way. It is just OPs child is young and she is entitled to feel how she does.

KnittingKnewbie · 28/10/2024 22:58

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:47

Err the fact 'agency nanny' is a thing would suggest a good few people are happy to trust them

Lol Fair point.
I'd imagine it's for older children and/or when there has been time to meet a few times and get the child used to this new person. It doesn't seem like OP has a lot of time before the birthday though

angstridden2 · 28/10/2024 22:59

Just don’t go. You don’t want to anyway. You don’t like your MIL much which is fine, most people on Mumsnet seem to dislike them, generally because they’re dominating/narcissistic/overbearing (delete as appropriate).