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To think I can skip MIL's 60th bday

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anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:10

MIL is turning 60 and I'm turning 30 in the same week. Going out for a meal for both birthdays. My DC is a toddler so wouldn't be a good idea to take them to an evening celebration meal because we'd like to go somewhere "fancy" and naturally whenever DC is out for a meal with us due to their age it's hard to maintain a conversation with grownups, more like you get distracted every 2 seconds because either a wipe is needed or they want help feeding or they want to point out how orange the carrot on their plate is etc. Everyone (ie myself, guests, toddler) would be happier is the toddler stayed at home with the nanny whilst we go for the celebration meal.

We have a nanny who does 9-2 a few days a week, she doesn't love doing evening babysitting as she has her own children, is a single mum and (understandably) wants to spend evenings with them. However she's kindly agreed to babysit on one of the dates, up to us which one. We have a great relationship with the nanny, she's absolutely amazing and I don't want to pressure her if she's said that it's once per month max.

PILs are coming down for the weekend from their hometown (a few hours away) and MIL said she'd like to go out for dinner for her birthday. I can't be both at my own birthday dinner and at hers because we only have childcare for one of the evenings. I've said I can join them with DC if it's something like afternoon tea, or we can join for dinner and just have starters then leave (as DC wouldn't stay seated much longer, will want to run around, as it's one of those slow service, fancy restaurant) or we go somewhere more relaxed / not as fancy and I'm happy to be the one doing all child related duties at the dinner (ie passing the wipes to DC when requested, taking them to the toilet, maintaining chat with them or doing colouring so they're entertained). None of these suit. I'm also happy sitting this one out, but the idea is outrageous for MIL and DH because it's MIL's 60th, super important that everyone is there. She wants to go somewhere fancy without the baby but with me there. My husband insists that in this case I should ask the babysitter to cover MIL's birthday and he will just not attend my birthday - I go with just my parents and siblings. I think that's ridiculous - your spouse is a closer relation than a PIL, it's my 30th just as much as it's her 60th.

I'll add that MIL and I don't get on amazingly. We're civil, we can maintain a conversation but due to being very different people, me not being treated particularly kindly by her through pregnancy and postpartum and a few other things, we aren't besties. I think she also doesn't love a few things about me, small things like wishing DH married someone significantly younger (we're same age) and doesn't love that we do one parent one language with me speaking the minority language (ie I speak to my child predominantly in a language she does understand but is by no means fluent in, it's a common tactic to make a child bilingual) but it's nothing like hate or wanting to not be in each others lives.

Except the nanny there's not really many babysitting options - my parents are older and couldn't really cope with an energetic toddler for a whole evening / wouldn't want to, siblings don't live particularly close so it would make it logistically difficult, DC would cry the whole time with MIL if she babysat and shes somewhat disinterested so I doubt she'd want to babysit either.

AIBU to want to either skip MIL's birthday or do one of the other options I've suggested - a more relaxed restaurant, an earlier meal like lunch or afternoon tea or leave halfway through the meal? As opposed to having my husband be absent at my own 30th.

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MangoRose · 28/10/2024 22:19

It really does sound like excuses now OP, with the last few posts it's just all sounding so odd and OTT.

You don't like MIL, you don't have a perfect babysitter so just don't go but don't pretend it's because you can't. I misread your first post re not using an agency sitter, I thought it was more about your DD but it's due to you not wanting to leave her.

Wn38475 · 28/10/2024 22:20

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:01

You're being a bit precious about not using an agency baby sitter, life is short, celebrate these milestones

She isn't being precious at all. A completely unknown agency babysitter in your house with your 2yo? Not a chance. My kids are grown up and I would never have taken such an unnecessary risk.

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:20

@MangoRose exactly - as you said "as they get older". But at the moment she isn't a babysitting option - she wouldn't want to herself, DC wouldn't stay with her / would cry for mummy non stop.

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Westofeasttoday · 28/10/2024 22:20

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 21:24

"your parents could cope with a few hours of being a bit frazzled" they've said they can't due to age / health, and from what I know about them (ie a lot?) I absolutely agree
"toddler will survive a few hours of a disinterested 60 year old granny" as I've said, my toddler doesn't know her well, doesn't ever go to her or enjoy spending time together so why would I do that to my child?
"And sitters from agencies are vetted and experienced " great. I don't trust someone I don't know well. Lucy Letby also passed a few checks before becoming a midwife, right?

Holy cow. Well if you have such fear of “strangers” looking after your child because of Lucy Letby (catasytrophising much!?!?), then I would avoid the following.

  1. All medical professionals including doctors and nurses.
  2. Nursery workers, teachers, teaching assistants and carefully vetted school staff.
  3. Playgrouos including play or club leaders.
  4. Carefully vetted nannies who despite their background checks and training may be dangerous.

I would also consider installing full house cameras.

Complete hyperbole. You dont want a solution you only want us all to agree you should get what you want.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/10/2024 22:21

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 21:32

DC doesn't have a particularly warm relationship with granny. They've never really played or spent time together, on her visits she interacts with DC very briefly, doesn't join in play. Granny lives far, isn't staying until my birthday and wouldn't come down especially for it. There's also no way I'm driving my child a few hours each way just for the night.

I wouldn't bother with your MIL's birthday at all. Just stay at home with your DC.

Would your DH make a fuss if you don't go?

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:21

@Allfur as explained, there's no one else I trust and no I wouldn't leave a toddler with an agency sitter.

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Happilyobtuse · 28/10/2024 22:21

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:57

At DC's current age I wouldn't use an agency sitter, only someone I know well

Use an agency sitter, with your parents present. So the sitter is in charge of the baby but your parents are in the house and can keep an eye. I have always done that when I needed help but didn’t want my parents having to run behind the lil ones.

Westofeasttoday · 28/10/2024 22:23

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:04

Posts like this make me wonder how on earth my 3 children have managed to survive my lax, careless parenting

What with me leaving them with potentially murderous babysitters and a really not that interested MIL
Happy to do reciprocal babysitting for other peoples children because I love kids and having a houseful
And even letting them go to endless sleepovers

But there you go, they've got all the way to 24, 20 and 17

Yeah sounds like a miracle they survived and presumable became awesome adults. Maybe for your grandkids wrap them in bubble wrap and don’t let them talk to anyone until they are over 18. 😂😂😂😂

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:23

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:21

@Allfur as explained, there's no one else I trust and no I wouldn't leave a toddler with an agency sitter.

I think you need to widen your circle of trust, it's no way to live

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:24

Wn38475 · 28/10/2024 22:20

She isn't being precious at all. A completely unknown agency babysitter in your house with your 2yo? Not a chance. My kids are grown up and I would never have taken such an unnecessary risk.

I did with all mine, everyone is fine and living a full and happy life

Onlyvisiting · 28/10/2024 22:25

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:10

MIL is turning 60 and I'm turning 30 in the same week. Going out for a meal for both birthdays. My DC is a toddler so wouldn't be a good idea to take them to an evening celebration meal because we'd like to go somewhere "fancy" and naturally whenever DC is out for a meal with us due to their age it's hard to maintain a conversation with grownups, more like you get distracted every 2 seconds because either a wipe is needed or they want help feeding or they want to point out how orange the carrot on their plate is etc. Everyone (ie myself, guests, toddler) would be happier is the toddler stayed at home with the nanny whilst we go for the celebration meal.

We have a nanny who does 9-2 a few days a week, she doesn't love doing evening babysitting as she has her own children, is a single mum and (understandably) wants to spend evenings with them. However she's kindly agreed to babysit on one of the dates, up to us which one. We have a great relationship with the nanny, she's absolutely amazing and I don't want to pressure her if she's said that it's once per month max.

PILs are coming down for the weekend from their hometown (a few hours away) and MIL said she'd like to go out for dinner for her birthday. I can't be both at my own birthday dinner and at hers because we only have childcare for one of the evenings. I've said I can join them with DC if it's something like afternoon tea, or we can join for dinner and just have starters then leave (as DC wouldn't stay seated much longer, will want to run around, as it's one of those slow service, fancy restaurant) or we go somewhere more relaxed / not as fancy and I'm happy to be the one doing all child related duties at the dinner (ie passing the wipes to DC when requested, taking them to the toilet, maintaining chat with them or doing colouring so they're entertained). None of these suit. I'm also happy sitting this one out, but the idea is outrageous for MIL and DH because it's MIL's 60th, super important that everyone is there. She wants to go somewhere fancy without the baby but with me there. My husband insists that in this case I should ask the babysitter to cover MIL's birthday and he will just not attend my birthday - I go with just my parents and siblings. I think that's ridiculous - your spouse is a closer relation than a PIL, it's my 30th just as much as it's her 60th.

I'll add that MIL and I don't get on amazingly. We're civil, we can maintain a conversation but due to being very different people, me not being treated particularly kindly by her through pregnancy and postpartum and a few other things, we aren't besties. I think she also doesn't love a few things about me, small things like wishing DH married someone significantly younger (we're same age) and doesn't love that we do one parent one language with me speaking the minority language (ie I speak to my child predominantly in a language she does understand but is by no means fluent in, it's a common tactic to make a child bilingual) but it's nothing like hate or wanting to not be in each others lives.

Except the nanny there's not really many babysitting options - my parents are older and couldn't really cope with an energetic toddler for a whole evening / wouldn't want to, siblings don't live particularly close so it would make it logistically difficult, DC would cry the whole time with MIL if she babysat and shes somewhat disinterested so I doubt she'd want to babysit either.

AIBU to want to either skip MIL's birthday or do one of the other options I've suggested - a more relaxed restaurant, an earlier meal like lunch or afternoon tea or leave halfway through the meal? As opposed to having my husband be absent at my own 30th.

I'm with the PP. If your husband thinks your presence at your mother in laws birthday is more important than his at yours then I'd be having some very strong words. In fact I'd be extremely hurt but also bloody livid.
She is his mother, HIS presence is what should be important, not yours. And you have offered to facilitate that by taking all the childcare responsibilities from him.
You shouldn't have to compromise to a child friendly event for your birthday or a birthday without your spouse so your MIL can have her sons wife there.

Tink3rbell30 · 28/10/2024 22:26

Do what DH says, nanny for MIL's birthday and he can have toddler on your birthday. He wouldn't have suggested it if he didn't mind missing yours.

Arglefraster · 28/10/2024 22:26

Happilyobtuse · 28/10/2024 22:21

Use an agency sitter, with your parents present. So the sitter is in charge of the baby but your parents are in the house and can keep an eye. I have always done that when I needed help but didn’t want my parents having to run behind the lil ones.

This or DH can throw money at the problem by vetting someone & having them babysit while nanny is also babysitting so they are familiar with routine/toddler with new person. Then ask new person to return for second dinner.

Or would you let nanny bring her own children for a sleepover?

TBH answer is to just let DH go to MIL dinner alone.

Chopbob · 28/10/2024 22:27

Omg. I've never heard so many excuses for "I just don't wanna go" - at least own it!

Fink · 28/10/2024 22:27

There are so many other options (although both of you are being weird about adult birthdays. 30th and 60th are not major life events):

Ask the nanny if she could do both evenings if she were able to bring her own children with her

Ask the nanny if she could do both evenings at her place rather than yours

Have your birthday celebration with your child present, either afternoon or evening, which I realise you've already dismissed upthread, but it would be worth asking yourself why you think a birthday without your own child would be preferable

Accept that your child might not settle well for a stranger but that they'll cope with a late night as a one-off. Refusing to consider an agency babysitter or a friend babysitting to the extent that you have done is not healthy or normal, you are letting paranoia affect your daily life.

At the end of the day, you seem determined to come to your MIL's meal only if it's on your terms. If that's how you want to play it, no one on here knows the exact relationship between you, your DH, and your MIL, so crack on. But at least be honest with yourself and your family what your problem is, because there are dozens of decent solutions to allow you to attend the planned meal without a fuss, but you are refusing to consider anything except that MIL changes her plans to suit you.

Flossflower · 28/10/2024 22:29

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:23

I think you need to widen your circle of trust, it's no way to live

It is your choice to do what you want and it is the OPs choice to do what she is comfortable with. Long time ago but I never left my children with strangers. Yes we hardly ever got to go out but we accepted this. We now babysit our young grandchildren all the time but they know us well.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/10/2024 22:30

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:09

Suggestions very welcome on how to encourage their relationship.

MIL comes over / we come over to theirs 1-2 times per month. Whilst she will obviously say an initial "hello" to all of us, including DC, and won't outright ignore DC, she doesn't initiate any interactions with him. If DC approaches her (rare) to show off that his apple is very big or his new toy or roaring like a dinosaur, she'll acknowledge it but bring the conversation back to adults. For example a "wow that's nice! Oh by the way did you hear what Trump said last week?" or "yes that's a big apple, why dont you sit and eat it over there, don't get it all over my jeans". There's a lot of "oh no he's made a mess!!!" if anything is spilt and "what a pair of lungs, that's too loud, please stop" if he is playing with dinosaurs.

What does your husband think about his mum's dismissive attitute to his child? Doesn't it bother him? I assume that if she engaged with and made an effort with your DC so that he was comfortable with her, you would be happy to let her babysit?

She doesn't sound very nice at all so I wouldn't worry about not being able to attend her birthday which she just wants you to do for appearances sake.

Alpolonia · 28/10/2024 22:30

Wholelotagrey · 28/10/2024 20:26

You do you!! Absolutely have the night out you’re 30… your husband is an ass for not putting you first! MIL has had plenty of special birthdays… especially if you only even tolerate each other!

Yes this. What did you DH do for his 30th (assuming he’s older)? Did you go and celebrate then.

Hold firm and don’t martyr yourself pleasing your MIL.

MoreOfADogPerson · 28/10/2024 22:32

Chopbob · 28/10/2024 22:27

Omg. I've never heard so many excuses for "I just don't wanna go" - at least own it!

I mean, she is owning it. The clue is in the thread title. The problem appears to be that this is not acceptable to her MIL and husband.

Bridely2be · 28/10/2024 22:34

Onesipmore · 28/10/2024 21:27

Are you really saying that your only childcare options for any event are you or your Nanny?? Don't you have friends who can babysit, once child is in bed. How energetic are they at that time of night. You are going to have a helluva dull social life if you rely on a Nanny who will commit to one night a month.

Surely this isn't so unusual?! I will never have evening childcare for my daughter - it just doesn't exist. We don't have family who are able, and the only friends I have who I'd trust have their hands full with their own kids.

Op, I think you're getting a hard time here. Your MIL sounds like a dick, just crack on with your own plans because nobody else is going to prioritise you.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/10/2024 22:34

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:16

Pay someone else. Put kid to bed. Go out for a couple of hours. No big drama. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, primarily because you don't like your mil

Why would she leave her child with someone she doesn't know or trust to attend the birthday celebration of someone she doesn't really like?

Fraudornot · 28/10/2024 22:34

Is MIL staying over near you for the meal? What about saying you can’t find a solution to the childcare but would like to all go out with dc the next day and her for brunch or do a brunch and cake at your house? Ultimately she wants the same as you / fuss and family for a milestone birthday and to feel loved and special.

Natty13 · 28/10/2024 22:35

You are doing a really good job of standing your ground with posters here, idk why you needed to post as you are clearly happy with your boundaries.

Fwiw hell would freeze over before my husband missed a milestone birthday to celebrate his mother's and he knows it. Lots of the husbands on this site need reminding who it is they expect to suck their dicks, cos it isn't mummy.

Chopbob · 28/10/2024 22:35

MoreOfADogPerson · 28/10/2024 22:32

I mean, she is owning it. The clue is in the thread title. The problem appears to be that this is not acceptable to her MIL and husband.

She's trying every angle to justify it though and to make eveyone else seem unreasonable- because she just doesn't want to go. And that's fine. But that's what she needs to own.

SillySeal · 28/10/2024 22:40

I do understand where you are coming from. I also would never use an agency sitter and had very few people close to me whom I could rely on.

Your mil also sounds like mine. I am expected to attend certain things basically because it looks good for her if she's surrounded by all her children and in laws on these occasions but she barely acknowledges us the rest of the time.

I would be keeping my 30th as it is. It is a special birthday and you have the right to chose how you spend it. If my dh said he wouldn't be attending so he could use the sitter for mil, that would cause a huge rift. Have you asked him why he feels it's more important to attend his mums 60th than his wife's 30th?

I would also give her your suggestions and say take it or leave it. You seem to have given her a few ideas. However, whilst you are within your rights to have what you want for your birthday, so is she and if she wants the fancy meal then unfortunately you will need to take dc. I've taken babies and toddlers to expensive restaurants many times. Yes it's not the same but it can still be a lovely experience. I honestly don't know what is wrong with taking the toddler and saying to mil you will attend with dc and see how he gets on but if he gets fed up you will be making your apologies and leaving early.

It might sound selfish to some to not drop everything for mil but I rarely get any time to myself and I don't usually celebrate my birthday much so if I wanted to celebrate a special one then I would.