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To think I can skip MIL's 60th bday

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anonymoush · 28/10/2024 20:10

MIL is turning 60 and I'm turning 30 in the same week. Going out for a meal for both birthdays. My DC is a toddler so wouldn't be a good idea to take them to an evening celebration meal because we'd like to go somewhere "fancy" and naturally whenever DC is out for a meal with us due to their age it's hard to maintain a conversation with grownups, more like you get distracted every 2 seconds because either a wipe is needed or they want help feeding or they want to point out how orange the carrot on their plate is etc. Everyone (ie myself, guests, toddler) would be happier is the toddler stayed at home with the nanny whilst we go for the celebration meal.

We have a nanny who does 9-2 a few days a week, she doesn't love doing evening babysitting as she has her own children, is a single mum and (understandably) wants to spend evenings with them. However she's kindly agreed to babysit on one of the dates, up to us which one. We have a great relationship with the nanny, she's absolutely amazing and I don't want to pressure her if she's said that it's once per month max.

PILs are coming down for the weekend from their hometown (a few hours away) and MIL said she'd like to go out for dinner for her birthday. I can't be both at my own birthday dinner and at hers because we only have childcare for one of the evenings. I've said I can join them with DC if it's something like afternoon tea, or we can join for dinner and just have starters then leave (as DC wouldn't stay seated much longer, will want to run around, as it's one of those slow service, fancy restaurant) or we go somewhere more relaxed / not as fancy and I'm happy to be the one doing all child related duties at the dinner (ie passing the wipes to DC when requested, taking them to the toilet, maintaining chat with them or doing colouring so they're entertained). None of these suit. I'm also happy sitting this one out, but the idea is outrageous for MIL and DH because it's MIL's 60th, super important that everyone is there. She wants to go somewhere fancy without the baby but with me there. My husband insists that in this case I should ask the babysitter to cover MIL's birthday and he will just not attend my birthday - I go with just my parents and siblings. I think that's ridiculous - your spouse is a closer relation than a PIL, it's my 30th just as much as it's her 60th.

I'll add that MIL and I don't get on amazingly. We're civil, we can maintain a conversation but due to being very different people, me not being treated particularly kindly by her through pregnancy and postpartum and a few other things, we aren't besties. I think she also doesn't love a few things about me, small things like wishing DH married someone significantly younger (we're same age) and doesn't love that we do one parent one language with me speaking the minority language (ie I speak to my child predominantly in a language she does understand but is by no means fluent in, it's a common tactic to make a child bilingual) but it's nothing like hate or wanting to not be in each others lives.

Except the nanny there's not really many babysitting options - my parents are older and couldn't really cope with an energetic toddler for a whole evening / wouldn't want to, siblings don't live particularly close so it would make it logistically difficult, DC would cry the whole time with MIL if she babysat and shes somewhat disinterested so I doubt she'd want to babysit either.

AIBU to want to either skip MIL's birthday or do one of the other options I've suggested - a more relaxed restaurant, an earlier meal like lunch or afternoon tea or leave halfway through the meal? As opposed to having my husband be absent at my own 30th.

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Miffylou · 28/10/2024 22:01

Do you have any friends your DC knows, who might babysit just for once? (You could return the favour for them.) Or if you normally ask your nanny to do one evening a month, perhaps she would agree to do two evenings close together and no evenings the following month. I understand why you feel annoyed, but for the sake of family harmony it would be good if you and your DH could manage to both go to both events.

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:01

You're being a bit precious about not using an agency baby sitter, life is short, celebrate these milestones

Heidi2018 · 28/10/2024 22:01

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 21:55

@Mulhollandmagoo yes! I've suggested a few options

  • we do something earlier in the day, she wants a meal so it could be lunch or afternoon tea
  • we do a dinner but in a more relaxed restaurant, where the meal will be quicker and not as formal
  • they stay for the full meal at a fancy restaurant, DC and I come for only the starters.
None of those suitable for MIL. She needs a fancy meal with me there (because she needs to see that the whole family is present and have made enough effort) but without DC

You sound bitchy about MIL wanting an evening meal, yet you also want an evening meal for your birthday so I would prob cut the attitude there to be honest.

Could you suggest they go for their meal and you meet them for drinks after, get your child to bed and have your parents sit in with them?

bittertwisted · 28/10/2024 22:04

Posts like this make me wonder how on earth my 3 children have managed to survive my lax, careless parenting

What with me leaving them with potentially murderous babysitters and a really not that interested MIL
Happy to do reciprocal babysitting for other peoples children because I love kids and having a houseful
And even letting them go to endless sleepovers

But there you go, they've got all the way to 24, 20 and 17

Westofeasttoday · 28/10/2024 22:06

I not understand why your parents can’t look after your child. Yeah they may be elderly and it may be too much but most two year olds go to bed around 7. So put the kid down to bed, have your parents there and then go to dinner afterward. Problem solved.

Onesipmore · 28/10/2024 22:07

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 21:53

Again, they have a great relationship with my parents. My parents can't babysit DC due to age and health. DC doesn't have a great relationship with ILs.

Sleepovers - I don't think I'd ever allow. I don't think this is that uncommon these days. I know many parents who wouldn't.
Friends - of course they can go once they're over a certain age and I'm either there myself or I know the parents well enough to let them do it. Easier watching 2x 10 year olds though than 2x toddlers, no? I don't think I'd agree to babysit for a friend with a child the same age as mine, it would be hard work and A LOT of responsibility. That's why I don't think friends would do it.

Holy Moly - sleepovers I would never allow? Friends I will need to be there myself, I have now heard it all !

EdgarAllenRaven · 28/10/2024 22:07

You can find really good experienced and reviewed Nannies in the Bubble App, or Childcare.co.uk

You can one find one with an amazing reviews who can try getting your child to sleep. We’ve had great success with some brilliant people.

worst case - if she cannot get them to sleep or your child gets upset, you can leave the fancy dinner at 9pm with your apologies :)

Wigtopia · 28/10/2024 22:09

Be firm with your DH that the babysitter is covering your birthday. You will attend MiL meal for starters only as you suggested, but if that is a problem he will need to find an appropriate baby sitter as the solution.

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:09

Fraudornot · 28/10/2024 21:58

toddler will survive a few hours of a disinterested 60 year old granny" as I've said, my toddler doesn't know her well, doesn't ever go to her or enjoy spending time together so why would I do that to my child

You do know there are many things you can do to facilitate this and it will pay you back tenfold in the richness of development of your child’s social network and development of family values. I have done this with all three of my children who are now adults and have such a strong sense of family unity. It’s a wonderful relationship grandparents and grandchildren. Also I think 60 is a more important birthday than 30 and may be the last big birthday many older relatives are able to celebrate with extended family. You do sound like hard work to me OP.

Suggestions very welcome on how to encourage their relationship.

MIL comes over / we come over to theirs 1-2 times per month. Whilst she will obviously say an initial "hello" to all of us, including DC, and won't outright ignore DC, she doesn't initiate any interactions with him. If DC approaches her (rare) to show off that his apple is very big or his new toy or roaring like a dinosaur, she'll acknowledge it but bring the conversation back to adults. For example a "wow that's nice! Oh by the way did you hear what Trump said last week?" or "yes that's a big apple, why dont you sit and eat it over there, don't get it all over my jeans". There's a lot of "oh no he's made a mess!!!" if anything is spilt and "what a pair of lungs, that's too loud, please stop" if he is playing with dinosaurs.

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Rasputin123 · 28/10/2024 22:09

If MIL wants your presence at her birthday your toddler comes along to at an appropriate venue/time. Say lunch time or between 5-7pm somewhere less stuffy/expensive. If MIL won’t compromise then she won’t have you or her grandchild present on her birthday.

Book the babysitter/childminder for your birthday and go out with DH and family and have a great time. If need be tell DH a little white lie that the babysitter/childminder is only available for the date of your birthday now end of, problem solved.

MumoftwoGranofone · 28/10/2024 22:10

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 21:55

@Mulhollandmagoo yes! I've suggested a few options

  • we do something earlier in the day, she wants a meal so it could be lunch or afternoon tea
  • we do a dinner but in a more relaxed restaurant, where the meal will be quicker and not as formal
  • they stay for the full meal at a fancy restaurant, DC and I come for only the starters.
None of those suitable for MIL. She needs a fancy meal with me there (because she needs to see that the whole family is present and have made enough effort) but without DC

These are all great possible compromises/solutions/suggestions … if she wants everyone there she can meet you half way …

MangoRose · 28/10/2024 22:10

Onesipmore · 28/10/2024 22:07

Holy Moly - sleepovers I would never allow? Friends I will need to be there myself, I have now heard it all !

Yeah I am now wondering if the OP really can't get a babysitter, can but doesn't want to. I can understand if DH would find this a bit hurtful if it is actually a possibility.

I have older teens now and i don't know anyone who didn't allow sleepovers, I absolutely don't believe that most OPs friends wouldn't allow it either.

Livelovebehappy · 28/10/2024 22:10

Why would the baby cry all the time if looked after by the MIL? Bit of a random silly comment, without context to back it up.

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:12

Viviennemary · 28/10/2024 21:59

YABU. This sounds like a one off situation. Pay the nanny double rates or whatever if takes to arrange the babysitting. Or postpone your celebration to a later date.

As I've said I already pay the nanny double her daytime rate when she does evenings. Do you suggest I double the double? Clearly the financial incentive is there but she doesn't want to / can't do it.

Yes, I'd be ok with MIL moving her celebration to when the nanny can babysit - next month or the one after.

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 28/10/2024 22:12

Can’t your parents come over with an agency sitter? Sitter does the heavy lifting and your parents are there for the trust factor

carly2803 · 28/10/2024 22:12

option c
leave kids with your husband - go our for your birthday

then utilise nanny for mils night out

thats what i would do

WindIsSwirlling · 28/10/2024 22:12

YANBU and I don’t get MN sometimes and feel like I live in a different world. I think it’s perfectly normal to have a very very limited choice of babysitters for a 2 year old. We had one (my own DParents) and often either DH or myself would go to the event depending on who was closer to the person whose occasion it was. I missed lots of nights out, birthday dinners, etc. I think that’s quite normal when you have very young children. I wouldn’t hire an agency babysitter no don’t have close enough friends to ask. My youngest would never in a million years settle for anyone but myself, DH or my DPs. Again I don’t think that’s particularly unusual. Now they are older children I have more options (truthfully mainly still my DPs but I could ask friends or other family if I felt I needed to but I haven’t as yet).

Stick to your guns OP. You have a lovely 30th planned with your own parents and have arranged for your nanny to babysit. It’s done. It’s sorted. You’ll be desperate for a childfree night out to so go enough adult dinner for YOUR special occasion.

your MIL had come align with her plans and thrown a spanner in the works. You have offered numerous alternatives none of which work for them. You aren’t stopping her having the birthday celebration she wants you are saying that you cannot attend solo as you need to care for your DC - her grandchild!! You’d think she’d understand that at least. You aren’t stopping your DH going either.

As for him - I'd be quite irritated with him trying to get out of your 30th to appease his mother’s “need” for you both to attend her adult only party. He’s serious miscalculated that one and you should be sure to make him aware of that!

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:13

Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:01

You're being a bit precious about not using an agency baby sitter, life is short, celebrate these milestones

Life may be short but I want DC to reach adulthood and be in safe environments at all times. That's why I won't leave a toddler with an agency babysitter

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MangoRose · 28/10/2024 22:14

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:09

Suggestions very welcome on how to encourage their relationship.

MIL comes over / we come over to theirs 1-2 times per month. Whilst she will obviously say an initial "hello" to all of us, including DC, and won't outright ignore DC, she doesn't initiate any interactions with him. If DC approaches her (rare) to show off that his apple is very big or his new toy or roaring like a dinosaur, she'll acknowledge it but bring the conversation back to adults. For example a "wow that's nice! Oh by the way did you hear what Trump said last week?" or "yes that's a big apple, why dont you sit and eat it over there, don't get it all over my jeans". There's a lot of "oh no he's made a mess!!!" if anything is spilt and "what a pair of lungs, that's too loud, please stop" if he is playing with dinosaurs.

She doesn't sound interested OP but as DC gets older it'll get easier so you may have options then. Some people are not great with little ones, my MIL was in her 60s and she really couldn't cope young DC as she got flustered when they cried, she was better when they were over 3.

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:14

Westofeasttoday · 28/10/2024 22:06

I not understand why your parents can’t look after your child. Yeah they may be elderly and it may be too much but most two year olds go to bed around 7. So put the kid down to bed, have your parents there and then go to dinner afterward. Problem solved.

DC goes to bed 8-8:30. By the time I've put DC to bed, got ready and travelled over to the venue the dinner would have long started.

OP posts:
Allfur · 28/10/2024 22:16

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:12

As I've said I already pay the nanny double her daytime rate when she does evenings. Do you suggest I double the double? Clearly the financial incentive is there but she doesn't want to / can't do it.

Yes, I'd be ok with MIL moving her celebration to when the nanny can babysit - next month or the one after.

Pay someone else. Put kid to bed. Go out for a couple of hours. No big drama. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, primarily because you don't like your mil

Londonmummy66 · 28/10/2024 22:16

Its pretty obvious - you have your evening child free and then take your little one to MILs but DH has to do half the heavy lifting in terms of childcare.

MuddlingThrough1724 · 28/10/2024 22:17

Onesipmore · 28/10/2024 21:27

Are you really saying that your only childcare options for any event are you or your Nanny?? Don't you have friends who can babysit, once child is in bed. How energetic are they at that time of night. You are going to have a helluva dull social life if you rely on a Nanny who will commit to one night a month.

Well, my 18 month old runs around full of energy until at least 9:30pm every night, so on that basis, plus they'd scream if left with a stranger, I wouldn't even consider a babysitter. They are hard work, it is exhausting, and even if I were paying over the odds, it would be unfair to expect a babysitter to deal with it, and unfair to the child too. Not all toddlers and young children fit in to a nice routine of in bed by 6:30pm and stay asleep all night so you have an evening to yourself. My eldest was similar with the later nights and not sleeping through, didn't leave them with a sitter until they were 3 and a half, who was funnily enough, their nursery keyworker, so someone they knew well/nanny equivalent. Wouldn't have contemplated a stranger at all. We also have no family or friends nearby or in a position to help with any childcare, even now. What works for some, doesn't work for others.

anonymoush · 28/10/2024 22:18

Livelovebehappy · 28/10/2024 22:10

Why would the baby cry all the time if looked after by the MIL? Bit of a random silly comment, without context to back it up.

My child isn't that comfortable with MIL, I've explained her behaviour on her visits or when we visit them... she never really interacts or plays much with DC. Consequently DC isn't that keen on going to her and rarely does. It would be the same if I left my child with a friend they barely see - DC wouldn't have it and would scream for mummy the whole time.

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CoffeeCakeAndALattePlease · 28/10/2024 22:18

Blimey, OP is answering the same questions over and over again!!

Why is it so hard to believe that her parents aren’t able to babysit?! My Dad loves my DC dearly but he’s not able to babysit due to poor health & mobility. He’d be physically unable to do it. I’m sure it’s not a hugely unusual situation.

I also wouldn’t leave my DC with an unknown babysitter, not a chance. We’ve actually found 2 babysitters through an agency but they got to know DC while I was there over a few visits, when I could also observe them with DC. Only after they felt safe with the babysitters have we moved on to us not being there.