If the UK has to pay reparations, will other countries?

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If the UK is made to pay reparations where will that leave other nations who were or indeed still are involved in slavery?

Yes why is it only the UK who keep self flagellating about this

I'm sure it took us years to pay off war debt to the USA

Other European countries were also involved in slave trade etc

Just tedious

And who to? Countries, or individuals? Which ones? Just New World or African too? And how would the amount be decided?
(Sorry, that was replying to @violentovulation 's post)

Well the Luftwaffe bombed the site opposite where I live - can London ask for reparations then? What about everyone murdered during the war by Hitler too?

This thread is making me feel sick. The racists really out themselves when this topic comes up.

For those of you talking about “shameless money grabs” or “things of the past”, the British government only finished paying off the descendants of the slave owners 2015, after they were paid compensation for the loss of income once slavery had been abolished. That’s my tax, your tax, and everyone else in Great Britain’s tax paying people who lost out when they could no longer enslave my ancestors. So, frankly, fuck you if you think it’s a “shameless money grab” or “should be kept in the past”. The damage that was done cannot be overturned and reparations is the very least that this government can do.

Many non-European countries too, Saudi was prolific, traded far more than all of Europe put together and some claim, they are still at it.

I think there would be a lot of countries thinking about asking a lot of other countries for reparations for slavery. There was a hell of a lot of slavery in human history.

It's not racist to find this ridiculous.

@Firestace whatever helps you to sleep at night

I read the area of Africa which is now mostly Zambia was decimated by the Arab slave trade - taking Africans as slaves via East Africa to Arabia and Gulf. The men were mostly castrated so there are fewer descendants in those countries today.

Don’t think they’re looking for apologies tbh. They just want money. I hope Starmer sticks to his guns, and tells them that there’s no way it’s going to happen. Thing is, the money wouldn’t even go to the people whose families were affected by it. It would just go into the pockets of the corrupt tin pot governments and their rich friends.

To be fair, Germany did pay us and other countries reparations for that.

I come from a colonised people, fairly sure my people waged war against a neighbouring country a few times and probably did some downright evil shit. I think if people know their own history they know it’s not simple. I have a tunisian friend who was very open about arab slave trading (obviously thought it was abhorrent). Oman only banned slavery in 1978. Some places slavery still exists including the UK.

Personally I think we should be focusing on releasing people who are slaves now. None of the reparations would be going to someone who has actually been enslaved. A lot of the money would be coming from people who are not responsible for slavery.

I would 100% get behind a pot of money dedicated to rooting out slavery today. That I can absolutely support.

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We should not pay. Firstly, most of the tax base now in the UK weren't the wealthy beneficiaries at the time, or their ancestors didn't even live here at the time.
Secondly, the UK abolished the slave trade and we only finished paying for that in 2015.
Thirdly, the focus should be on the modern slave trade and the actual suffering of living people now.

the British government only finished paying off the descendants of the slave owners 2015, after they were paid compensation for the loss of income once slavery had been abolished. That’s my tax, your tax, and everyone else in Great Britain’s tax paying people who lost out when they could no longer enslave my ancestors. So, frankly, fuck you if you think it’s a “shameless money grab” or “should be kept in the past”. The damage that was done cannot be overturned and reparations is the very least that this government can do.

And now British taxpayers need to shell out more?

Where do you suppose we dig up the 18 trillion currently being floated about as a figure?

The UK doesn't have the money. Its as simple as that.

How do you see this working
practically?

How much are you willing to put in?

Absolutely. It is abhorrent that slavery exists TODAY and we should be dedicating manpower and money into eradicating this evil trade.

It is puerile to suggest that people who have not committed this historical crime should pay ££££ to people who didn't suffer this historical crime.

I'm white British but if I have some DNA linking me to an African people do I get a payout?

I don't believe there has been racism in this thread. If it were south vs north England the same arguments would exist. Slavery itself wasn't even racist, it was economic, like it is today. It so happened that it was cheaper to exploit Africans than Europeans. Also although this was a long time ago, there has been a huge amount of investment in Africa from the UK since.

The irony is that a lot of modern day slave masters in the UK aren’t white British. Slavery is still very much out there, in plain sight. We need to focus on the here and now, instead of harping back to a time when life, values and morals were so different. None of it happened in my name, so why should I have to contribute to the pot?

Well, you haven't mentioned the Brits enslaved by the scandi countries during the Viking era. Or by the Italians during the Roman Empire. Or the French during the Norman invasion.

So I will assume you are racist.

In the Y9 history books these were good slave traders

How convenient

You're right, the damage has been done. Not by the last umpteen generations let alone the current ones who are going to have to pay up and who are already struggling.

Who exactly is going to get this reparation?

Well, you haven't mentioned the Brits enslaved by the scandi countries during the Viking era. Or by the Italians during the Roman Empire. Or the French during the Norman invasion.
So I will assume you are racist.

Or the hundreds of thousands of British and European slaves taken by the Barbary Pirates and sold in the Arab slave markets in the 17th century.