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If the UK has to pay reparations, will other countries?

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Controversialname · 24/10/2024 19:07

If the UK is made to pay reparations where will that leave other nations who were or indeed still are involved in slavery?

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Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 19:16

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 19:12

I don't see how anyone living in Barbados or anywhere can objectively say, "my life would be better if I'd been born in Ghana because my descendants hadn't been sold into slavery 200 years ago".

Well quite. Admittedly, they could argue that a tiny percentage of British people enriched themselves at the expense of their ancestors but so could the millions in the UK who worked in mills and mines in often deadly conditions for very little money.

If you keep going with that line of thought, can anyone living in UK whose predecessors came from Barbados (and Ghana before that) objectively say it either?

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 19:17

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:06

What about when the UK stole land from other people.

We're they greedy toe rags?

Yes, they were. As I said, some of my family were Irish, some were Scottish. Both lost land. Even my English ancestors lost land when the common land was enclosed by the aristocracy, and don't ask what happened to my lot after the civil war.
People are greedy, it's partly human nature, most aren't satisfied with what they have.
The whole of human history has been a group of people, a tribe, a clan a whole nation deciding to move to have more land. The Romans, the Vikings, the Angles, Saxons, the Asian tribes who crossed the land bridge to the Americas, they all wanted more. As did many others. It's not just the English who have done it. Why did the 1st humans leave Africa? Because they wanted more. It's what people do. And most people if offered would take something for nothing.

Kirova · 26/10/2024 19:18

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:15

I wonder will they get an apology out of Keir?

Why care? He can be sorry that it happened and say so, but what what's the value of an apology for something he and his government weren't responsible for, which happened 200 years ago?

Kirova · 26/10/2024 19:19

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 19:16

If you keep going with that line of thought, can anyone living in UK whose predecessors came from Barbados (and Ghana before that) objectively say it either?

I'd argue not - they can't possibly know!

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 19:21

And it's tow rag, it's a nautical term.

SidhuVicious · 26/10/2024 19:22

I wonder if the Spanish government will be making any reparations to Latin America anytime soon?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:24

SidhuVicious · 26/10/2024 19:22

I wonder if the Spanish government will be making any reparations to Latin America anytime soon?

Have the relevant countries in Latin America asked?

Also why is that relevant to this?

VioletCrawleyForever · 26/10/2024 19:26

@Danajune11

Also why is that relevant to this

The thread title is literally why it's relevant.

SidhuVicious · 26/10/2024 19:28

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:24

Have the relevant countries in Latin America asked?

Also why is that relevant to this?

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Because people like to focus myopically on the British Empire and ignore all the others. And worst of all, people don't really seem to care about the currently enslaved as much as those that died hundreds of years ago.

I'd rather help free people currently living in slavery rather than give reparations to people that were never enslaved, and to countries where the money may well be embezzled by the same types of individuals that enslaved people in the first place.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:29

VioletCrawleyForever · 26/10/2024 19:26

@Danajune11

Also why is that relevant to this

The thread title is literally why it's relevant.

That's what I'm saying. I mean it about the title aswell. It's just immediate deflection

Why if the UK is asked to make reparations, immediately say "Well will Spain have to pay reparations aswell?"

Spain have not been asked to pay reparations.

The UK are going to be asked.

SleepwalkingInTesco · 26/10/2024 19:30

Britain fought wars to end the slave trade so why would Britain be the one to pay reparations?

There are more modern slaves now than in any point in history, maybe that's a good place to start.

SidhuVicious · 26/10/2024 19:31

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:29

That's what I'm saying. I mean it about the title aswell. It's just immediate deflection

Why if the UK is asked to make reparations, immediately say "Well will Spain have to pay reparations aswell?"

Spain have not been asked to pay reparations.

The UK are going to be asked.

If you were asked to pay a new housing tax that your next door neighbour wasn't would you just pay it 'because they haven't asked anybody else yet'?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:31

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:29

That's what I'm saying. I mean it about the title aswell. It's just immediate deflection

Why if the UK is asked to make reparations, immediately say "Well will Spain have to pay reparations aswell?"

Spain have not been asked to pay reparations.

The UK are going to be asked.

When my children were toddlers they kept asking me for money to buy a pet crocodile.

I just said no.

Kirova · 26/10/2024 19:32

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:31

When my children were toddlers they kept asking me for money to buy a pet crocodile.

I just said no.

My eldest daughter asked if we could go to Russia for half term. I also said no.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:37

SidhuVicious · 26/10/2024 19:31

If you were asked to pay a new housing tax that your next door neighbour wasn't would you just pay it 'because they haven't asked anybody else yet'?

It's not a comparable scenario though is it.

You're talking about housing tax within one country.

Reparations is completely different. It has to be asked for and then approved by the relevant government.

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 19:38

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:31

When my children were toddlers they kept asking me for money to buy a pet crocodile.

I just said no.

Mine wanted a pygmy hippo. 🙄

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:39

SleepwalkingInTesco · 26/10/2024 19:30

Britain fought wars to end the slave trade so why would Britain be the one to pay reparations?

There are more modern slaves now than in any point in history, maybe that's a good place to start.

That doesn't make sense

Britain fought wars to end slavery.

Yes but they also benefitted from slavery for a very long time.

That would like me being in armed robbery gang for twenty years, and then insisting to the other members that we stop.

I'm still responsible for the crime of armed robbery.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:40

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 19:38

Mine wanted a pygmy hippo. 🙄

But did they get it?

No.

I hope! Grin

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 19:40

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:40

But did they get it?

No.

I hope! Grin

Aw, why not.. what a cute pet.. what could go wrong..

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 19:41

I'm still responsible for the crime of armed robbery.

You wouldn't expect your great great great great grandson to be jailed for it though.

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 19:41

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:40

But did they get it?

No.

I hope! Grin

Sadly no. We agreed that we had insufficient room to build a pool for a hippo, even a small one. We got guinea pigs instead.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/10/2024 19:42

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:39

That doesn't make sense

Britain fought wars to end slavery.

Yes but they also benefitted from slavery for a very long time.

That would like me being in armed robbery gang for twenty years, and then insisting to the other members that we stop.

I'm still responsible for the crime of armed robbery.

Are your great grandchildren responsible as well?

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 19:42

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 19:41

I'm still responsible for the crime of armed robbery.

You wouldn't expect your great great great great grandson to be jailed for it though.

Or someone else's completely unrelated and non beneficiary great great great great grandson

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 19:43

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 19:41

I'm still responsible for the crime of armed robbery.

You wouldn't expect your great great great great grandson to be jailed for it though.

Yeah but the poster was talking about the past.

She said that the UK stopped slavery, so why should they pay reparations for slavery

I pointed out to her that the UK had still benefitted from slavery for a long time, even if they were the one to stop it in the very end

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 19:44

Or someone else's completely unrelated and non beneficiary great great great great grandson

Yes, who was also a victim of armed robbery by the same gang in fact, but in a different town.