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If the UK has to pay reparations, will other countries?

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Controversialname · 24/10/2024 19:07

If the UK is made to pay reparations where will that leave other nations who were or indeed still are involved in slavery?

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AngsanaFlower · 26/10/2024 14:37

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:29

Arent the heads of the Ccommonwealth going to meet soon, to discuss getting reparations from the UK.

The UK are going to have to give a public answer. It'll be interesting to see what they say

Are they?

Well if that’s how they feel, perhaps it’s time to end the club.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:37

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 14:34

But what about when the UK stole land and money from other countries. And forced them into poverty.

I think your understanding of history is shallow and simplistic.
Anyway the UK ended the transatlatic slave trade. The world can thank us anytime it likes.

Like the UK are going to have to do SOMETHING. Maybe not 18 trilllion , but they need to do something.

It's not happening. It would be politcal suicide. Not because Brits are evil selfish bastards, but because none of them alive did it, most didn't benefit and we're already at sky high taxes and evicerated services.

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No. I said facts.

Check it in a history book.

The UK caused some of the biggest problems around the world.

Which was good for the UK. And bad for a lot of other countries.

OneBadKitty · 26/10/2024 14:38

Who exactly needs to apologise?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:38

AngsanaFlower · 26/10/2024 14:37

Are they?

Well if that’s how they feel, perhaps it’s time to end the club.

"Club"!

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:39

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:37

No. I said facts.

Check it in a history book.

The UK caused some of the biggest problems around the world.

Which was good for the UK. And bad for a lot of other countries.

I don't think anybody wants to start the ''who did what'' train.

Because they too can then be implicated and be asked to pay.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:40

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:39

I don't think anybody wants to start the ''who did what'' train.

Because they too can then be implicated and be asked to pay.

Every government has the right to ask for reparations From another country if they want.

The UK has damaged a lot of countries. Which is why they are asking for reparations now.

Whena country is asking for reparations From another country, there is very little point to saying "well Spain invaded countries too!"

As that is not relevant to this particular case.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:41

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:38

"Club"!

Not every country in the Commonwealth was colonised by the BE. The Commonwealth is a conglomerate of countries that work together to promote peace and prosperity and work on certain legislation, particularly human rights and business development.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:42

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:40

Every government has the right to ask for reparations From another country if they want.

The UK has damaged a lot of countries. Which is why they are asking for reparations now.

Whena country is asking for reparations From another country, there is very little point to saying "well Spain invaded countries too!"

As that is not relevant to this particular case.

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Having the right is not the same as it being a wise thing to do.

Most countries, as has been mentioned countless times on this thread, are guilty of something.

IKEAJesus · 26/10/2024 14:42

Every government has the right to ask for reparations From another country if they want.

Yes, absolutely. And the country being asked has every right to say no.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:45

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:42

Having the right is not the same as it being a wise thing to do.

Most countries, as has been mentioned countless times on this thread, are guilty of something.

But why always be so deflective and defensive.

It's like when people come on here and complain about men. And people come on and say "but women are bad too!"

No one is saying that other countries didn't do wrong.

We are talking specifically about the wrong that the UK did to other countries, as it is currently in the news, as the Commonwealth leaders want reparations From the UK

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 14:46

No. I said facts.
Check it in a history book.
The UK caused some of the biggest problems around the world.
Which was good for the UK. And bad for a lot of other countries.

I grew up in a country that was a former British Protectorate. It wouldn't exist today if it hadn't been, it would have been swallowed by its larger neighbour. It also had and has bugger all natural resources so that's not why the Brits were there.
There were some awful things done by the British empire, and some very good things. Rail infrastructure, literacy, medicine, the treatment of women and girls. The British outlawed suttee in India in 1829 so widows were no longer burned on their husbands' funeral pyres.
It's hugely complex and nuanced and you're reducing it to the level of tiktok.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:47

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:45

But why always be so deflective and defensive.

It's like when people come on here and complain about men. And people come on and say "but women are bad too!"

No one is saying that other countries didn't do wrong.

We are talking specifically about the wrong that the UK did to other countries, as it is currently in the news, as the Commonwealth leaders want reparations From the UK

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Maybe because you seem to be practically gleeful of about making lives worse for a lot of people and think it is somehow justice.

Where are you from? Let us list your sins.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 26/10/2024 14:50

I would also suggest that if reparations relate specifically to the slave trade, that the countries concerned also speak to the descendents of the African and Arab slavers who were instrumental in the trade, but unlike Britain not remotely instrumental in ending it.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:52

IKEAJesus · 26/10/2024 14:42

Every government has the right to ask for reparations From another country if they want.

Yes, absolutely. And the country being asked has every right to say no.

Well it's obvious the UK don't think that they should pay reparations anyway, or they would have done something to help already.

However, if the commonwealth leaders ask for reparations at a very public level, (is already on a lot of news sites) the UK leaders are going to have to say why they are saying no to eparations.

I'm interested to see what the UK leaders will say. Maybe they will give an apology

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 14:52

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:00

I'm not an expert myself, but I did an attempt.

Do I win a goldfish?

😂

You might get more sense out of a goldfish.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:56

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 14:52

😂

You might get more sense out of a goldfish.

Even though I was actually right.

And you were completely wrong.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:56

Dana June, did anybody ever tell you that you might make for a good politician?

Ginmonkeyagain · 26/10/2024 14:57

I absolutely agree Britain's colonial past is something we have to understand, accept and apologise for. There also could be a good case for reparations but large cash payments to other governments is probably not the way to go.

For one it would be hellishly complex to work out who gets what and why, that is before you even get to how much and who pays. Also to try and identify the harm that is being compensated for is hard - is it tangible items or land stolen? Impacts on life chances? Denied opportunities? Deaths of ancestors in wars? The economic and emotional impact of having ancestors who were enslaved? Countries and individuals experienced British colonialism differently and are in different financial situations now.

Also as people have said, what about descendents of enslaved or colonialised peoples who are British citizens - do they have to contribute or are they also entitled to reparations?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:58

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:56

Dana June, did anybody ever tell you that you might make for a good politician?

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The op hasn't posted on here in a while, has she?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:59

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 14:52

😂

You might get more sense out of a goldfish.

Genuine question. Are you able to write a post without insulting someone?

I'm not stupid or thick or like a goldfish, just because you (random stranger) says I am.

Learn how to communicate without insults

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 15:00

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:59

Genuine question. Are you able to write a post without insulting someone?

I'm not stupid or thick or like a goldfish, just because you (random stranger) says I am.

Learn how to communicate without insults

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Are you able to answer these questions?

  1. Where do you propose the UK moves money from in order to pay reparations
  2. Where are you from?
Happyher · 26/10/2024 15:01

There’s no way we can afford it at the moment. Maybe we should seek reparations from the Italians, Scandinavians and the French first

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 15:02

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:56

Dana June, did anybody ever tell you that you might make for a good politician?

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Thanks! Thats probably not meant in a good way.

But yes, in the unlikely event that I ever became politician, I think I would be half decent.

I'm good at standing up for people and for saying a point anyway.

Totallymessed · 26/10/2024 15:02

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It's a fair question, given that you seem to be under the impression that the government could just hand over billions in reparations without it having any effect on British taxpayers.

It does seem like magical thinking rather than based on any kind of reality.

IKEAJesus · 26/10/2024 15:03

I do actually think if there are specific, identifiable items that were looted from countries that want them back and they are in public institutions we should give them back (& encourage private owners to do likewise), but that’s a separate issue from reparations.

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