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If the UK has to pay reparations, will other countries?

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Controversialname · 24/10/2024 19:07

If the UK is made to pay reparations where will that leave other nations who were or indeed still are involved in slavery?

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RitaFromThePitCanteen · 26/10/2024 14:11

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:03

Everyday British people are not responsible.

But it's not unusual for a government to acknowledge or apologise for past actions in its country.

And I agree, they should. Tony Blair apologised years ago, but as it obviously wasn't publicised enough, I think it's right that both the monarch and a representative of the government do so again on behalf of all the pain and horror inflicted by this country on others.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:12

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:07

When countries have to pay reparations, they take money away from one thing that they are funding with tax, and they instead put the money into reparations.

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And what is the one thing you propose we move money away from?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:12

ByMerryKoala · 26/10/2024 14:10

I will be reported? Oh, no 😮 What will become of me 😁

Well if you get too many post deletions, your account will be deleted.

Which would probably benefit this thread. As you've just spewed a load of insults on here.

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 14:13

We couldn't afford the NHS when it was created. But we couldn't afford people to have poor health and no means of getting health care other than through charity. So the government of the day chose to create the NHS.

Everanewbie · 26/10/2024 14:13

GretchenWienersHair · 24/10/2024 20:51

This thread is making me feel sick. The racists really out themselves when this topic comes up.

For those of you talking about “shameless money grabs” or “things of the past”, the British government only finished paying off the descendants of the slave owners 2015, after they were paid compensation for the loss of income once slavery had been abolished. That’s my tax, your tax, and everyone else in Great Britain’s tax paying people who lost out when they could no longer enslave my ancestors. So, frankly, fuck you if you think it’s a “shameless money grab” or “should be kept in the past”. The damage that was done cannot be overturned and reparations is the very least that this government can do.

This is a common misconception about compensation. The money to compensate slave trade related people/companies was raised using gilts I.e. debt instruments used in pension funds and such like. The gilts in question were rolled over several times and repackaged. And some residual trace of the loan was only recently repaid. No money was being paid directly to slavery beneficiaries, but a government debt was being repaid as agreed with the gilt issue.

i wish this would stop being misrepresented and trotted out as a gotcha.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:14

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 14:09

You really don't seem to get that taking money from one service is going to be extremely detrimental to that service. It's really basic. If we want services such as the NHS then we pay for them. If we want any of the services provided by government then we pay for them. If money is taken from a service then that service will either have to massively cut back on what it provides or fold completely.
That impacts on everyone.
I can't believe you don't know that.

Of course reparations are detrimental. That's the point of reparations.

But what about when the UK stole land and money from other countries. And forced them into poverty.

Do you realise that it was detrimental to them?

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:15

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:14

Of course reparations are detrimental. That's the point of reparations.

But what about when the UK stole land and money from other countries. And forced them into poverty.

Do you realise that it was detrimental to them?

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So where do you propose the money comes from and why do you think it wouldn't affect people who had nothing to do with the transatlantic slave trade?

IKEAJesus · 26/10/2024 14:15

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:14

Of course reparations are detrimental. That's the point of reparations.

But what about when the UK stole land and money from other countries. And forced them into poverty.

Do you realise that it was detrimental to them?

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So which people - who personally had nothing to do with the decisions made - would you like to cause detriment to?

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 14:15

@Danajune11 which budgets do you want to take it from?

Education? health? Or

isthereaway · 26/10/2024 14:15

Genevieva · 24/10/2024 19:40

The world is so international now that the idea of reparations is farcical. Kamala Harris is descended from Jamaican plantation owners, whereas most Brits are descended from coal miners, factory workers and farm labourers. Britain today is an international melting pot.

We should give aid and we should give to charity based on current need. The ordinary British people are among the most generous charity givers in the world. We made it a part of our national psyche long ago. Comic Relief is just one example. We just need to keep being cognisant of others in need and be sure to help them.

Enormously well said !!!

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 14:17

Do you actually live in the UK? I mean you understand that if the people who live in the UK today , none of whom had anything to do with slavery, have to suffer due to reparations then that means everyone? And people who are already deprived will suffer most? Many of those will be people from ethnic minorities. You do understand that, don't you?
I really don't get your mindset.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:17

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 14:15

@Danajune11 which budgets do you want to take it from?

Education? health? Or

What about the health and education of peoplethat the UK destroyed in other countries?

Any thoughts on that?

You only seem sad when it affects the UK

BobbyBiscuits · 26/10/2024 14:18

I don't think financial reparations will be agreed. Due to most British taxpayers having their origins in other countries with nothing to do with slavery.

They should find the actual families of the people that had slaves and then ask them to pay. They can't force them but why should people who are immigrants or second gen have to pay for things people did before they ever even lived here?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:19

IKEAJesus · 26/10/2024 14:15

So which people - who personally had nothing to do with the decisions made - would you like to cause detriment to?

Well its up to the countries who are asking for reparation.

Have you looked at the reasons why countries are asking for reparations From the UK?

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:20

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:17

What about the health and education of peoplethat the UK destroyed in other countries?

Any thoughts on that?

You only seem sad when it affects the UK

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So where do you propose we move money away from?

If you're happy to harm vulnerable people to benefit another group of people that the first group did not harm, why would you think any justice had been served?

And what stops that first group from coming after you for reparations?

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 14:20

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:17

What about the health and education of peoplethat the UK destroyed in other countries?

Any thoughts on that?

You only seem sad when it affects the UK

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That’s not really an answer but I take it you are happy to take from education and health in the UK

You didn’t answer if you were in the UK

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:20

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:19

Well its up to the countries who are asking for reparation.

Have you looked at the reasons why countries are asking for reparations From the UK?

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Well no, it isn't.

The UK government would have to make the decision.

No country would allow another to interfere in departmental spending 😂

inamarina · 26/10/2024 14:21

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:17

What about the health and education of peoplethat the UK destroyed in other countries?

Any thoughts on that?

You only seem sad when it affects the UK

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So you’re willing to ruin healthcare and education for people living in the UK
today? Even if neither they nor their ancestors were ever involved in or benefited from slave trade?

JRSKSSBH · 26/10/2024 14:21

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:08

Exactly. So it isn't going to happen.

Although I do think if we ended up paying anything, there needs to be a contract that stipulates no more requests for money will be entertained in future.

I wouldn’t be so sure. The self-righteous, identity politics, virtue signalling, yellow bellied brigade are in charge. They hate our national identity, history, culture, etc etc. I honestly think they would tear down this country if you could. Starmer is at heart a teenage Marxist intent on remodelling the UK to suit his world view.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:21

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:20

So where do you propose we move money away from?

If you're happy to harm vulnerable people to benefit another group of people that the first group did not harm, why would you think any justice had been served?

And what stops that first group from coming after you for reparations?

Again your post is all about yourself and your country.

Can you try to think of other countries. Why do you think that they are asking for reparations From the UK

Lovelysummerdays · 26/10/2024 14:21

Halfemptyhalfling · 26/10/2024 14:11

We have NHS because we had spare resources from empire now that's gone we are struggling to afford it

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Pretty sure we borrowed the money from the Americans as we were skint at the end of ww2. We did pay that back and also had to fund the Americans involvement in ww2. So technically we stole from the world then spent it to defend the world from Nazi Germany. History truly is cyclical.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 14:21

Not aimed anyone but I think there are bad actors who will push for this as it would help destabilise the U.K.

wickerlady · 26/10/2024 14:22

violentovulation · 24/10/2024 19:27

I hope the UK does have to pay them. It's only fair.

Give over you massive troll!

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:22

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:21

Again your post is all about yourself and your country.

Can you try to think of other countries. Why do you think that they are asking for reparations From the UK

I have thought about other countries.

Like how not only did the US not pay Vietnam and beg for forgiveness, but demanded Vietnam pay the US back.

So again I ask, where you propose the money is moved from? And why shouldn't that group affected ask for a say on the process?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:23

inamarina · 26/10/2024 14:21

So you’re willing to ruin healthcare and education for people living in the UK
today? Even if neither they nor their ancestors were ever involved in or benefited from slave trade?

You didn't answer my question. I said what about the standard of healthcare and education in the countries that are seeing reparations