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If the UK has to pay reparations, will other countries?

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Controversialname · 24/10/2024 19:07

If the UK is made to pay reparations where will that leave other nations who were or indeed still are involved in slavery?

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Jaxhog · 26/10/2024 13:50

dottiehens · 26/10/2024 12:41

Where would the money come from? I came here as an immigration and never slaved anybody so do I have to pay for this too? I have been paying a lot to help the most vulnerable already.

My DM is an immigrant too. As are many of us who arrived in the UK after the slave trade. Should we all be paying reparations? Should we take into consideration the large overseas donations the UK makes?

There has to be a point at which we say stop. It's one thing to demand reparations immediately after a major conflict, but quite ridiculous to demand it hundreds of years later from people who had no part in it.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:51

Rainbunny · 26/10/2024 13:50

Germany is paying reparations agreed back in 1952, hardly an action that Germans living today have pushed for. Also, Germany refuses consistently to agree to paying reparations to Poland and Greece for what they did in WW2.

So let's recap, Germany is honoring it's 1952 agreement to pay some reparations for the war it started less than a decade before, for which the aggressors were all alive to be a part of (as opposed to people dead for a few hundred years) but in current times, Germany is outright refusing to honor demands to make reparations to Poland and Greece.

So Germany is not quite the perfectly reformed global citizen. I'm shocked.

They've still done more than the UK have thought haven't they. The UK haven't done anything

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:52

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:50

Again, so defensive and reflective!

Can you admit that the UK has done anything wrong in the past?

Of course we have.

The point is, we cannot afford to pay 18 trillion in cold cash. We can look at other options - such as favourable trade deals.

And we all understand WHY people are asking for reparations.

Now I would ask why the US got away with demanding Vietnam pay THEM back, but as you say, off topic.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/10/2024 13:53

England is a country of rich industrialist and landowners many of whom directly profited from slavery, and a working class many of who were exploited by the same landowners that were profiting from slavery. And now they are asking the descendants of those exploited people to pay reparations to people who were more exploited.

ByMerryKoala · 26/10/2024 13:53

The UK didn't do anything to disrupt the slave trade? Is that what you think?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:53

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/10/2024 13:53

England is a country of rich industrialist and landowners many of whom directly profited from slavery, and a working class many of who were exploited by the same landowners that were profiting from slavery. And now they are asking the descendants of those exploited people to pay reparations to people who were more exploited.

Again, it's the government that pays reparations.

Not individual people

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:54

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:53

Again, it's the government that pays reparations.

Not individual people

Again, its the taxpayers who fund government.

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 13:54

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 13:47

And some of us understand that history mostly consists of truly horrific events.

Just to remind you that this was my comment.
Most of history is lots of truly awful events, war, slavery ( by most nations), witch hunts, trials for heresy, poor people being ill treated or exploited. The list is endless.
It's mostly powerful people using their advantages in life against those who have no power or advantage.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:55

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:54

Again, its the taxpayers who fund government.

So? It still won't affect you in anyway.

Your income tax won't increase

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 13:55

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:53

Again, it's the government that pays reparations.

Not individual people

Where do you think governments get their money?

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/10/2024 13:55

My DM is an immigrant too. As are many of us who arrived in the UK after the slave trade. Should we all be paying reparations? It's only a little more unfair that asking my family, descended from agricultural labourers and coal miners, to pay reparations.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:55

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:55

So? It still won't affect you in anyway.

Your income tax won't increase

We literally are expecting tax rises in this upcoming budget....

ByMerryKoala · 26/10/2024 13:57

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EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 13:57

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:53

Again, it's the government that pays reparations.

Not individual people

What an odd statement, taxpayers do exist

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:57

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 13:55

Where do you think governments get their money?

The point is, if the UK government pays reparations, it won't affect your individual pay in any way

Why on earth would you think it would?

They would just set aside some of the tax money to pay for reparations.

Everyone's income would remain the same

ByMerryKoala · 26/10/2024 13:58

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:57

The point is, if the UK government pays reparations, it won't affect your individual pay in any way

Why on earth would you think it would?

They would just set aside some of the tax money to pay for reparations.

Everyone's income would remain the same

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How old are you? Do you work? Are you aware of taxation?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:58

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 13:57

What an odd statement, taxpayers do exist

Yes but the tax that you pay won't change!!

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:58

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:55

So? It still won't affect you in anyway.

Your income tax won't increase

I'm more than a little suspicious of your intentions here.

To put this politely as possible, you don't seem to have even the basic grounding in how government works.

In order to afford this, taxes WOULD have to increase and/or national debt would increase.

Debt, that pesky thing, being why we cannot afford financially to pay out reparations.

Public services are being cut to the bone - the NHS woes are well known, even internationally. I'm sure you've heard of them.

Quality of life continues to decrease for many. Its those many who would be directly affected by this.

NewGreenDuck · 26/10/2024 13:59

Do you really think that any government can just find millions or billions or trillions down the back of the sofa? Of course it will come from taxation. And that means increased taxation or cuts in services. I. e more austerity. And then we are on the road to civil unrest, as many people, particularly those who are deprived would suffer further.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:59

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MereDintofPandiculation · 26/10/2024 13:59

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 13:55

So? It still won't affect you in anyway.

Your income tax won't increase

The money will come out of the money the government has available to manage the country. Services will decrease. Education will get worse, health service will get worse, the country will be less safe, both internally and from foreign agencies as we can't afford either to run an adequate police service or to defend ourselves.

And the people who will be most affected by this will be the descendants of the working classes who also were exploited by those that were benefiting from the slave trade.

Ginmonkeyagain · 26/10/2024 13:59

@Danajune11 where is this magic "government" money coming from then if not taxpayers.

You remind me of someone I spoke to ages ago who had this great idea that in order to fund public sevices instead of tax the govenrnment should seize every property worth over a million pounds without compensation to the owner. They couldn't understand why this would quickly result in precisely zero properties worth over a million pounds and the govenment left owning a load of worthless properties!

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 13:59

😂

Does someone want to explain the fundamentals of 'tax?

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 14:00

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 13:58

I'm more than a little suspicious of your intentions here.

To put this politely as possible, you don't seem to have even the basic grounding in how government works.

In order to afford this, taxes WOULD have to increase and/or national debt would increase.

Debt, that pesky thing, being why we cannot afford financially to pay out reparations.

Public services are being cut to the bone - the NHS woes are well known, even internationally. I'm sure you've heard of them.

Quality of life continues to decrease for many. Its those many who would be directly affected by this.

Taxes would not have to increase.

SpudleyLass · 26/10/2024 14:00

Unrulyrabbit · 26/10/2024 13:59

😂

Does someone want to explain the fundamentals of 'tax?

I'm not an expert myself, but I did an attempt.

Do I win a goldfish?