To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

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I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

Thats not how it works. The first couple of weeks when you are on loading dose, yes the effectiveness wears off towards the end of the week, but even staying on the lower doses, you build it up in your system for example, week one you inject 2.5mg on a monday, by the next sunday you have 0.5 mg active, week 2 you inject 2.5mg, that raises your levels to 3mg, by sunday 1mg remains, week 3 inject 2.5mg, 3.5mg in system, week later levels are at 1.5mg. Then every 4th week you increase the mg injected. Thas very simplified and not true levels, but thats the pattern. You cannot chose when to be hungry on them.

oh Yawwwn not this again

Health isn't a competition and the people taking Ozempic were prescribed it for a health condition, legitimately. They were not trying to harm your DH and the shortages were global, due to many factors and not down to individuals in the UK addressing their obesity.

I think they are broadly a positive. We have reached a point as a society where it's incredibly easy to gain weight - we don't want to regulate UPF's or limit their availability, infrastructure is built around car use and lots of people are time poor so don't rely on ready meals etc.

Anything that can get people losing weight as easily, even just to get started or get them out of being pre-diabetic, is a positive. We can't shame people for their weight and poor health while both refusing the change the social conditions and tut tutting at new and effective medicines.

tbf in saying that 'it's not very healthy' to have no appetite, you have to consider it's not healthy to be overweight.

The cost of the injections is thousands of £ less than the cost to NHS the medical issues they prevent.

these jabs could well save the NHS from going under

I am obese. I eat healthily and have been the same weight for years....I mange to loose a stone or two then it creeps back on. When you have a lot to loose it is very hard to keep going.
I will be starting the jabs soon and if it helps me shift the weight then I will be very happy. They are intended for people like me but ate being abused by thosewitheating disorders and ate too easy to get.

I am not sure they are being abused to the extent some people are screeching , there are so many safety checks. Sure there will be some, but not many let’s face it. You need to jump through multiple hoops to get it.

Well let’s see.
Easily available online.
Efficiently kills your appetite.
Is known to cause health problems if too much is used, particularly if the person injecting is at a lower weight than they claim.
Is potentially going to be used by young people who already have a history of mental health/body dysmorphic tendencies/eating disorders.

Yeah I can’t see any problems occurring at all.

I think they have real potential for doing that. The US are seeing very real changes to national obesity as a result...

They should take responsibility then.

Who should take responsibility then?

Not easily available for anyone not obese.
healfh problems that are signficant are very rare, all drugs have this, even nurofen.
young people abuse all sorts of drugs, from mdma on.

I didn't say it wasn't licensed, just comparing attitudes
The long-term effects are not known as yet

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast the idiots who are buying it when they don't qualify.

There is already a black market supply of this stuff being sold. Don’t be silly. It’s easily available.

Ideally the injections should only be given in the pharmacy to stop the misuse by people cheating the system with fake photos, and also to stop it going 'too far'.

I say this as someone who has lost 4st since May and still has a bmi of 45. It's a wonder drug. It has both made dieting so easy as I feel full, and has made me wonder what the hell is actually wrong with me that I have been hungry all of the time with physical symptoms for the last 35 years.

The concept of choosing the healthy/lighter option, or of turning down the extra portion/biscuit/sweet has never been understandable. My entire life has been hungry, choosing the most filling thing on the menu, never having that feeling of fullness after a meal. I have eaten everything ever offered to me, and had seconds, and could eat a 3 course meal and go for cake half an hour later. I couldn't go into a bakery without wanting to eat everything in it, couldn't make a purchase in a shop without adding any available food. I constantly thought of what I was going to eat next. All Of The Time.

On Mounjaro I know understand how people make 'healthy choices' I can actually enjoy what I eat rather than just having the compulsion to eat constantly. It truly is life-changing. And the more I lose the easier it is to move around more. I choose lunch when I open the fridge door at 1, or just have soup - I think this is what 'normal people' do?

I am trying to do this as well as I can - I go to the gym although am limited due to injury, make sure that I eat enough protein although this does sometimes involve one of those crappy protein desserts.

I have a compulsion to eat, much the same as some people have have a compulsion not to eat. Maybe people should just drop their judgy pants a little and have some compassion.

The idiots will be our orthorexic teens.

I had a glue jab last week and my pharmacist and I were chatting and I told her if my weight loss of 10kg and she was persuaded by my experience to get it. She had been on the fence but my experience was so positive she was made up.

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast then parents step up.

I'm sorry but this is a lifesaving drug for so many of us. I'm not going to sit here and be bothered by the people lying to get it.

You have to either buy illegally from random sellers providing vials of who knows what, or actively lie and provide fake photos repeatedly in order to con a legitimate provider, to access these drugs when you shouldn't be able to. There's no difference between these and any other prescription medication you can order online. Perhaps the people who are super concerned about weight loss injections should have a look at all the other medication you could get if you were prepared to lie and commit fraud to obtain.

Listen I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t use it. I’m saying this is going to cause HUGE problems for our kids.

There is a black market supply for many drugs. Many many drugs. Cocaine, mdma, ketamine, Christ many prescription pain killers. The question here is so what. That’s a problem that’s existed since time began. We don’t ban treating people because shit goes on the black market,

I’m sorry if you feel that way, maybe sit with your kid and educate them?

If people are stupid enough to buy an unlabelled vial from their hairdresser or some randomer at their gym and inject it, then the consequences fall on the individuals shoulders only, not the sale of legal private prescriptions from registered pharmacies employing registered clinicians.