To think all these weight loss jabs are a bad move?

[Pineconecollector]

I’ve seen so many people recently saying they’re on Mounjaro - someone wrote on Facebook that they were struggling to eat anything at all, hadn't eaten for over 48 hours. Just zero desire to eat anything. Surely that can’t be healthy?

I also know of someone who has lied to an only e pharmacy to get the jab, because her BMI would be considered too low to be prescribed it. She’s wanting to get down to a size 6.

But Mounjaro is in no way a 'free lunch' to use your metaphor. It's expensive, and has potential side effects. Nobody thinks 'yay this is totally problem and risk free and has no potential negative consequences at all' even if the only negative consequence they are aware of is the cost. This is an expensive lunch, which to many is worth the cost (financially and otherwise)

It will be interesting to see what this does to the premature deatgs from cardio vascular disease (CVD) in the medium term.

Mass prescribing of statins promised to reduce CVD but that is not evident in the trends over the paat 30 years. In fact there is some evidence that it made no impact on premature mortality, even if statins seemed to prevent subsequent heart attacks.

Everything we put into our bodies, has an impact, that impact is not the same in ever body, the impact might have some positive and some negative elements and short and long term effects.

No human has ever lived a completely stress free life, with accessible perfectly balanced abundant nutritious foods and no outside impact from toxins or harmful bacteria and viruses, yet each of those factors affect our health. Our bodies have an amazing ability to adjust to many factors and bring our bodies back into balance, and we have many options from food, herbs and pharmaceutical products to help us when we can not do it alone, but equally there are many factors which put our body out of balance and it is difficult to fully assess the impact of how that will affect each individual or the entire population.

Pretty much anyone who is taking drugs to help weight loss, because children, because celebs, because my friend, who is clearly lying or twisting the narrative and I can’t be bothered to check out things before I go on a thread and have a go at all the fat people who are just doing their best.

you are spouting a load of drivel, which has little basis in reality to denigrate the choices of people who are taking medication for a serious illness. Yes, obesity is a serious illness.

1. This drug is overwhelmingly being taken by obese people, or people who were obese when they started.
2. in many areas, GPs are not prescribing it for diabetic people, even if they want to because their area doesn’t have the funding.
3. it has been licensed but the NHS for diabetes and obesity.
4. it is a weekly injection - you can “time” the injection as there is some variation in hunger suppression through the weekly cycle, but you can’t stop it for the weekend - that complete nonsense.

yes, people may take this for unlicensed reasons, they also break the speed limit. It is no better to argue to not prescribe the drugs than it is to stop selling cars. Absolutely, police the taking of taking it unprescribed, but you go to far.

I've never once said anything about banning the medication. I am just urging caution.

I am OK, though, thanks for asking.

You don't know what you don't know.

You may well be taking them and getting good results, but if you don't realise the risks you are running re (longer term) side effects/the effect on your body, then that isn't a balanced view.

I just hope that there aren't a load of regrets in the future when people start to develop internal problems as a result of taking these jabs.

Novo Nordisk make wejovy and ozempic. These aren't necessarily the in demand weight loss injections of this year but obviously demand in both those products has been higher in the last few years than in previous years.

I agree it's a manufacturing issue and not saying ppl shouldn't take the weight loss drugs but as my pp, I know of 2 type 1 diabetics who have been on disposable insulin pens for years and then got moved onto cartridge pens. Both were told , as was @I8toys dad that this was due to the demand on disposable pens.

Probably the same reasons the manufacturers are now asking for disposable insulin pens to be returned to them and providing free post boxes, having never done so before.

I've no issue with weight loss injections and understand why ppl would take them as per my first post on this thread but I am aware of insulin users being moved onto different pens and given I don't know l8toys dads or his pharmacist, it does appear to be something that different medical professionals are attributing to the demand of weight loss drugs. Like I say both ppl I know prefer their new pens.

No. Not for over a year.

KETO is definitely unhealthy. People struggle to work out on it and it causes long term constipation. It's also really difficult for vegetarians and vegans to follow.

Who are you urging caution to? Are you petioning the government? Boots the chemist? As this is mumsnet. No one on here is approving weigh loss medication for the general population.

No idea why people start these threads to pontificate about things in a highly judgemental way when are clearly unfamiliar with the subject matter. If you are genuinely interested, OP, why not start with the science? Have a look at NICE's position, and the BMA's open access material, for starters?

Insulin isn't the same as weight loss injections. They are different things. You don't even know what you're talking about!

@Hellogoodbyehello4321 strange that Diabetes UK don't seem to know about this issue when they are well informed about many other issues.

Do you mean the PenCycle scheme? That's for recycling not for reuse, to make things like plastic chairs and glass lamps.

No it's not true. How could it be? They are different drugs!

Indeed. And surely healthy, non-obese parents modelling moderate portion sizes and healthy food choices is beneficial for young children? If you change parents’ attitudes to food and bring healthy eating into the household, children will be raised with better relationships with food.

Again, though, I suspect all these posts from people saying it sets a bad example are the ones who know nothing about how they work - and that you STILL only lose weight through healthy eating, calorie deficit and exercise. All the medication does is control your body’s insulin response to carbohydrate making you feel nausous if you eat UPF/crap and simultaneously (because your insulin is corrected) makes you feel fuller on smaller portions and less hungry between meals.

What I hope the long term impacts will be are - genuinely healthier options on restaurants/takeaway menus because people have changed their habits; smaller portion sizes (or more people taking portions home because they are full and there is no judgment for doing so); less UPFs/junk food in supermarkets (and/or a govt tax on those foods to make them more expensive, not less so for families on lower wages); more families eating more healthily because parents have finally reeducated themselves through use of these drugs; consequently less incidences of childhood obesity and T2 diabetes.

If using these drugs might help to shape society and families in this way, whilst also reducing the financial burden of the NHS, making it more efficient in its responses to cancer, MH support etc, then surely these drugs have to be a good thing?

@Hellogoodbyehello4321 they're different types of pens though

Please read my answers - its the pens used to administer it, the bloody pens.

Say a person lost weight the way everyone generally does - by changing what they put into their body and how they use their body - they are then a lower weight - maintaining that will be easier because they got there the right way yes?

I think it's understandable to think this way but it really does ignore the last 20 years or so research into weight and weight loss.

When you lose weight, it triggers all sorts of reactions in your body. Reactions that would be useful if you still lived in a cage and have a scarcity of food:

• Ghrelin levels massively increase, making you hungry all. the. time. and driving you to eat high calorie foods, also increasing food-related thoughts so you cannot simply distract yourself
• Letpin levels plumit through the floor, meaning you are much less likely to fell full (ever), even after a big meal
• Energy expenditure increases (anyone who has had the weight loss jitters knows this) to try and get you up and seeking food, making it hard to rest or sleep properly, which impacts on weight retention
• and more besides

This is why it is almost impossible for anyone to lose a significant amount of weight and keep it off - something like only 1% of people ever manage it. It's just not as simple as choosing to eat better and move more.

These drugs rebalance all those things and, yes, once you stop taking them the great effect is likely to wear off again and you may find all the problems above come back. But that is an effect of the weight loss and is equal to the reaction your body will naturally have even if you lose weight without them. The drugs don't make that worse, they just give you the chance to eat better long enough to reach a healthy weight.

You don't think paying for a private prescription demonstrates accountability and effort? Oh no, of course not, it needs to be the type of effort you approve of. 🙄

@I8toys the pens are not interchangeable. They are different pens. The shortage of one type of insulin pen was caused by a manufacturing problem. Nothing at all to do with a different product. I am not sure why you keep suggesting otherwise.

The pharmacist who alarmed your dad was misinformed.

I'm not suggesting anything. I was merely asking is this why there is a shortage of insulin products as my father's pharmacist has told him its because of the weight loss injections. I have no idea if this is correct or not but numerous pharmacies have told him. He has to go the hospital now to get his medication.

@I8toys and you've been told multiple times it isn't.

Thank you for your input. I will let the pharmacists know that they are incorrect.

They have their place when used appropriately alongside help and support to change the person’s relationship with food and to develop healthy eating patterns / exercise regimes which can be sustained post injections and when weight has been lost. Just having the jabs with no other changes is a recipe for failure - as soon as they stop the individual will just revert back to previous habits and weight will be gained.

It’s far more complicated that just give everyone the injections, most people will need additional psychological and diet support for lasting results.

Yes, and speed was put into pills which were marketed as slimming pills. They were advertised in newspapers.