The Yorkshire Ripper question?

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Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

Eleventy billion and 97p to be exact.

It was not 11 billion ffs

There was absolutely no doubt of his crimes.

The same was thought about the Birmingham Six, Guildford Four etc.

Sutcliffe is obviously guilty, but the death penalty wouldn't just be applied to selected cases where we're sure - it would apply to anyone convicted of a suitably serious crime by a jury. But we all know that juries can, and do, get it wrong.

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I think it is better to call him by his real name, Peter Sutcliff rather than the tabloid nickname which in my opinion plays into the mythologising of these murderous misogynists. Jack the Ripper (I appreciate he was never apprehended), The Yorkshire Ripper,The Suffolk Strangler, all men who slaughtered women and it is the names of their victims we should remember not the terrible men who ended so many lives in such appalling ways.

only in some places (eg USA) in others they go literally from the court to the hangman/firing squad. Or it takes a few days.

It's hanged, not hung.

Yep. I half wonder if they are deliberate rage-bait tbh, as so much of what's posted on social media these days is fake. This OP is a case in point - could quite easily be pure rage-bait.

Exactly. If he had been free more women would have died.

You made a whopping mistake, only grudgingly acknowledged it, said it wasn't really your mistake. Irony, thy name is OP.

Mistakes happen OP, maybe let's not make them fatal at the hands of the State.

That number is bigly

he murdered some prostitutes and the police CBA to investigate properly. Then he murdered a woman who wasn't a prostitute. The right kind of victim. Then they started to slowly wake up.

Meanwhile living in Sheffield and wanting to go out as a young woman was a nightmare. As was trying to earn your living as a prostitute, i guess. If any more prostitutes had been murdered (I can't remember now) it would have "been their own fault"

About as misogynistic as it gets.

Of course not, and civilised is what we should aspire to. But saying we do live in one is just not true. We have far to go.

The term civilised is subjective, though.

Society, government, politics - many actions under these terms I would not consider civilised. Such as how we can justify war and the killing or those who we are at war with. But then we are against killing those who have committed crimes. How we are speciesist and don't think the mass killing of animals for food is particularly bad, but the mass killing of people is.

Not having the death penalty might arguably go towards making us more civilised. But it's does not necessarily make us more civilised when we are still engaging in things that, I believe, are on par with this act.

I hope you pay more attention to the facts if you're ever on jury service OP.

Only because he confessed! I was in my early 20s when he was caught and it was a complete fluke. If he hadn't admitted when first questioned that he'd done it, they did not have the forensic evidence then to prove it was him.

The police completely ballsed up the investigation for years, resulting in more women dying than if they'd got their shite together, stopped being so feckin' misogynist, investigated properly and joined up the dots. The wild goose chase they went on following the fake "I'm Jack" tape was embarrassing.

Are those countries that the UK should be aspiring to emulate?

You're surely not suggesting that the death penalty might be okay because it can be delivered cheaply with minimal admin and faff if we deny the convicted any right of appeal?

As far as I am aware the states in the US where they do have the death penalty do not use the gallows or a firing squad. They execute by using a lethal injection and I seem to recall that there have been difficulties in obtaining the drugs that are used which has delayed executions.

This shit was happening when we had the death penalty.
Although unlikely to happen quite like that now, there are far too many opportunities for errors to occur.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1525505017304833#:~:text=Derek%20Bentley%20had%20epilepsy%20and,his%20case%20was%20finally%20quashed.

Condoning/supporting prison rape does not speak well of a person, in my view.

And I speak as someone whose rapist was convicted and sent to prison.

Total derail, but I instantly thought of this!

Well at least he didn't have to worry about losing his pension hearing allowance.
Photo says it all. Too many do gooders. In a clear case like this they should get the death sentence.

How can you give justice to families of his victims?

Timothy Evans from Merthyr Tydfil was hanged on 9 March 1950 after being falsely convicted of the murder of his daughter at their flat in Rillington Place in London's Notting Hill district. During his trial, he accused his downstairs neighbour John Christie, the chief prosecutor's witness, of committing the murder. Three years after Timothy’s execution, John Christie was found to be a serial killer who had killed six women in the same house. A royal pardon was eventually granted in 1966. The case generated much controversy and debate, and along with those of Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis, played a major role in the abolition of capital punishment in England and Wales.

https://criminology.research.southwales.ac.uk/criminology-blog/tragic-life-and-death-timothy-evans/

Public opinion at time was he was guilty.

When we had the black code in Georgian times juries would refuse to convict as they knew they were likely guilty but didn't want them to hang.

11 million to not have state executions - with the inevitable innocents caught up in very human process - while I don't like it does actually seem worth it.

This feels like when DH has been at work and spent his lunch break reading the DM/talking to some of his colleagues - and comes home spouting all sorts of crap as 'fact'. "We've dumbed down life-sentences!" "we paid 11 billion trillion for his prison time!"