The Yorkshire Ripper question?

[PassingStranger]

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

The death penalty probably wouldn't actually be cheaper than life imprisonment anyway. Figures show that US states that still have the death penalty spend about twice as much on Death Row inmates as standard inmates.

Is this something you have an opinion on at all, OP?

yes i couldnt have given a shit if hed been hung.

Yep Stefan Kiszko.

Indeed, many death row inmates prefer not to get downgraded to life without parole because it shuts down their routes to legal representation.

Do you have any idea how much it costs to execute someone?
It can take years and the legal process has to be exhaustive so I'm not sure it's the economy drive you're hoping for.
It's not a case of verdict on Thursday executed on Friday.
But I'm not sure critical thinking or analysis of all the implications (and that's before you get onto the possibility of miscarriages of justice) are quite within the OPs skill set

The legal system should be about justice not vengeance.

I can't quite believe how much it costs. Even 11 million is a huge amount. Just where does the money go?

First of all I hate this kind of thread where the op asks a question but doesn’t answer it themselves (though I suspect from the subsequent posts that this poster is more on the hang ‘em and flog ‘em side of the penal reform debate).

secondly, get your bloody facts even vaguely right op.

thirdly, do you think the death penalty would have stopped him, or deterred him?

finally I am vehemently opposed to capital punishment in any circumstance.

Of course they are, how patronising. Still wouldnt care if he had been hung. I wont be the only one to think that either. There was absolutely no doubt of his crimes.

We don't have state execution in this country. End of.

Perhaps we should learn from the past and deport them, like they did when they deported criminals to Australia. How about Rwanda as a modern day alternative?? So no to actually killing them, but getting rid of them from our country, and giving them the opportunity to build a new life elsewhere at their cost and subject to their hard work, initiative etc. Sink or swim - their choice. It would be worth paying Rwanda a couple of million per person to get rid. If in years to come, it turns out they were innocent after all, then they could be brought back if they wanted.

No, there wasn't. But when you have the death penalty, innocent people will be executed. How many executions of innocent people are acceptable to you? (PS there is a correct answer).0

I would rather that, than an innocent person be sent to the gallows.

I don't believe in the death penalty. I don't enjoy paying for serial killers, but I can see that it is an inevitable consequence of my first belief.
So no, it doesn't change my opinion.

And to be pedantic, the word for an execution is hanged. Pictures are hung.

Money could have been better spent on other public services IMO. Agree with the death penalty in such circumstances

It would have been a lot cheaper just to hang him, certainly. It's true that the death penalty also cost a fair bit but that was mainly because we executed so few people. The more criminals you execute, the cheaper it would be per person - a skilled hangman could execute someone within ten seconds or so of entering the condemned man's cell and if there was a dedicated facility for bulk executions it would be possible to execute many convicts in a day, thus bringing costs down dramatically.

People often overlook how different the death penalty was here compared to how it is applied in America. People didn't linger on death row for years here, the policy was "three clear Sundays" i.e. three Sundays had to pass between the sentence being passed and it being carried out. Plenty of time to process an appeal and plead for clemency if there were exceptional circumstances.

You can make a point without a personal attack at the OP.

I have answered I said I could not care less if he had been hung ok.

Noone should have the death penalty. Too many miscarriages of justice to allow this plus we live in a civilised society.

Equally a life time in prison is a far worse punishment and deterrent than a quick fix putting them out of their misery

That would make an interesting third verdict (fourth in Scotland): 'absolutely no doubt'. Would be quite irritating for the murders currently banged up for mere 'guilty' verdicts.

He murdered women, you don't give a shit about state sanctioned murder.

Neither of you cares about the taking of human lives unnecessarily.

Looks like you have something in common with Peter .

Anyone who can watch 14 days in May and still think the death penalty is a good idea lacks human decency.

And mistakes do happen, if Italy had the death penalty Daniela Poggiali would be dead. Possibly Amanda Knox also. Both innocent.

None of your craven desire for revenge or cost saving (based on fallacious figures) makes the horror and cost of the death penalty worthwhile ir even vaguely acceptable.

No society that enacts the death penalty can consider itself civilised . Frankly anyone suggesting it should be ashamed.

@PassingStranger

Presumably it does not actually cost any "extra" to keep him? Simply a "share" of the total cost of running the prison estate and the UK justice system?

Are you for real??? Why should countries that have enough problems of their own agree to deal with richer countries' murderers in exchange for a handout? You're making about as much sense as that World Bank president who said it's OK to export toxic waste fo Africa because labour productivity is lower there, so if the stuff sickens people less productivity is lost. Are you sure you're not also one of the people who shout about immigrants being criminals - and if so, how is this not hypocritical?