The Yorkshire Ripper question?

[PassingStranger]

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

What on earth are you talking about? We do still have whole-life terms for murder.

They have always been used only for the most serious cases, but these days they appear to be given out more frequently that they used to be (by judges rather than ministers).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders

Have you ever considered sense checking a 'fact' before repeating it?

I don't believe that state murdering people is the answer to anything

I mean, if we’re counting mistakes…

11 billion is one thousand times 11 million, so it’s pretty significant
And you don’t care if he was hanged. Death by hanging means people are hanged, not hung.

So the first post is struggling with both maths and grammar - perhaps ethics is a subject too far?

I read it as 11 billion so not my mistake.

er it literally IS your mistake.

@taxguru Um, if we did want to pretend this post was genuine for a second - sexually sadistic murderers will not just pack up and start a new happy wholesome life.

They will continue to commit crimes. Sending them elsewhere just provides them with more vulnerable and easily exploitable victims.

Or do Rwandan murder victims not matter so much?

And Harold Shipman.

Execution is more expensive than life imprisonment.

Don’t call him “The Yorkshire Ripper”, that’s a press given nickname that affords him the notoriety his kind crave. Refer to him as PS if you have to, but he deserves no such recognition of a “celebrity” name.

I highly recommend listening to the Crime Analyst podcast which did an excellent deep dive into the case and the misogyny and incompetence shown by the police, whilst also being sympathetic and respectful to the victims.

Yes, it was your mistake. 11bn is such a huge sum that it was blindingly obvious that it was wrong. If you chose not to engage your brain, that's your fault.

If something sounds implausible, then I think you have a responsibility to re-read it to double check before posting a load of shite on a public forum.

There will be plenty of people who only read the OP and take what it says as gospel, who will now go and repeat that bullshit to other people they know. That's one of the ways disinformation gets spread - by people not engaging their brain.

It's quite clear that I was meaning if another country "wanted" them, hence my comment about it being worth paying a few million per person to the other country to take them. I wasn't considering forcing another country to take them against that country's will - after all, they simply wouldn't allow admittance at their border control.

There's been murders every week for centuries, have you ever read a book or watched a documentary? We just have more ways of reporting them now.

Did you know his name was actually Peter Coonan in the end. He changed it. No doubt to distance himself from his crimes.

Why would another country want a convicted serial killer?

😂

YABU for referring to him as The Yorkshire Ripper. The families of his victims have asked that this not be used as “it serves to retraumatise us families left behind because it’s a description of how our loved ones, how they were maimed, how their injuries were inflicted.”

His name was Peter Sutcliffe.

But that is the point isnt it? It isn't a race to the bottom

Thank you, good point.

I agree. And misogyny is still an issue in the police force today, which has a material impact on women's access to justice.

The death penalty question is a moral one not a practical money-based one however wrong your figures are/ reading ability is.

If you value human life at all you don't kill others at all, no matter what they have done. The machine of State exists to be rational so it should not kill either.

Yes, I would probably want to kill someone who had killed my child and I might do it if I were able, but I would not expect to go unpunished.

The most serious cases! Isnt all murder serious then?

its been dumbed down since the dealth penalty was abolished.

That is what prison costs.

Execution could also cost a lot with constant appeals.

The police were racist as well as misogynistic which led to wasted time and dismissal of a reliable witness. Look at their treatment of Marcella Claxton.

Economic saving is no reason to call for a return for the death penalty. Imagine if it had been handed down to Angela Cannings or Sally Clark because there wasn't the awareness of cot death?

Chefs kiss x

*hanged

and no it doesn't change my mind at all. I do not believe in the death penalty.

Only it is because the OP is just as likely as any of us to appear on a jury.

There does seem to be a spate of AIBUs recently of the 'I've read something preposterous on the internet but because I have no critical thinking skills whatsoever I've not let stopping to think whether or not it's actually true get in the way of the chance to have a good froth on AIBU' variety.